Commander Proteus Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I was perusing a thread in this board the other night, something to do with a wishlist for the remainder of the series. It got me thinking: what's left in the HH series? If I'm not mistaken, Age of Darkness covers the seven years between Istvaan and the Siege of Terra, and the events in Know No Fear, and Fear to Tread are basically right on the doorstep of the endgame. I did a searchy, but didn't turn up any good threads to answer the question, so, I'll post it here. Any rumors, any news, or any data would be great! Question: What events remain prior to the siege of Terra? And what books have been announced? What hints have been dropped? What rumors? It seems we approach the end. -Proteus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Question: What events remain prior to the siege of Terra? I'm less concerned about what events are left and more by who is left (events can be added to). The White Scars have yet to be featured in a novel, only making their debut so far in a short story and having a mere few sentences being spoken about them here and there. Although the Imperial Fists have been making a few cameos, they have yet to recieve a dedicated book, too. Ditto the Night Lords, although they have been appearing as demented antagonists so far rather than having a book from inside their perspective (however they currently have a series of books on them so there seems to be no major need, at least not as much as the White Scars). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Indeed, as Olisredan has said. Also, those books only covered specific areas within those time frames, so there are still plenty of sides to be had during all of that. +Edit+ But hte Blood Angels fighting Ka'Banda and all of that has yet to come. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Arguably, so far, the Horus Heresy is still just getting out of the gates - some of the books being released are still tied to the Isstvan V Massacre, an event that started the HH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 there are still tons of back story to fill. only some of the Primarchs have had their stories told and even then not all of it. they can even go before the heresy started and tell stories about how the Primarchs got re-united with the Emperor and the initial stages of teh Great Crusade. they are also add in new stuff that we have not known before about what happened during the heresy. there should be more battles fought before the war reached Terra Arguably, so far, the Horus Heresy is still just getting out of the gates - some of the books being released are still tied to the Isstvan V Massacre, an event that started the HH. that was not the start of the Heresy, the start was when Horus turned against the Emperor. Istvaan V only revealed the extent of the betrayal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Arguably, so far, the Horus Heresy is still just getting out of the gates - some of the books being released are still tied to the Isstvan V Massacre, an event that started the HH. that was not the start of the Heresy, the start was when Horus turned against the Emperor. Istvaan V only revealed the extent of the betrayal Well, yeah. I kinda implied that bit. Maybe I should have tried to enunciate my post better. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well the UM have a book coming our in the next month or so. The BA are in the pipe line for signus and some foreshadowing of the siege of terra. The Imperial Fists are getting some love as well with there book cover being a christmas advent calender from BL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I recall reading something on Nick Kymes blog that suggested Promethean Sun was a precursor to a Salamanders heresy novel Now that is something I can't wait to get my hands on! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 If I'm not mistaken, Age of Darkness covers the seven years between Istvaan and the Siege of Terra, and the events in Know No Fear, and Fear to Tread are basically right on the doorstep of the endgame. Heck, naw. Know No Fear and Fear to Tread are very close to the beginning. Age of Darkness covers a few stories in the time period known as the Age of Darkness, but there are still 7 years of it before the Siege of Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 A few things off the top of my head: - Space Wolves and White Scars fleet being ambushed by the Alpha Legion - Ultramarines destroying a traitor fleet - Alpha Legion and Ultramarines battle on Eskrador (might not actually have happened, also, the Index Astartes is not clear whether this happens while the Ultramarines make their way to Terra or after the end of the Heresy) The two latter might even turn out to be related. If the Battle for Eskrador turns out to actually have happened, it is conceivable that while Guilliman eventually evacuates his Legion from the planet and bombards it, he also destroys the Alpha legion fleet to take them out of the picture for good. So while he was not able to destroy the Alpha Legion in honourable battle, he was preventing them from ever reinforcing Horus's attack on Terra. But that is just some idea based on two very brief accounts about Ultramarine activities. Let's see what GW and BL will be doing with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutters Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I know this is a long way off, but I'm looking forward to the time when all the legions are broken down into chapters. Specifically the chapters of Dorn. The three second founding chapters are the Black Templars, Crimson Fists, and Soul Drinkers. Specifically, I'd like to see who that first Chapter Master of the Soul Drinkers was, and how the story started, to where it picks up in Daenyathos and onward to their descent into Renegade in the further novels. Also, I'm a huge fan of the other two Dorn chapters, so seeing the first Black Templar crusade would be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Eskrador was psot-heresy as was the Dark Angels fall (well Luther went renegade during the heresy but the Lion didn't find out till after Terra). We need a novel showing how the Wolves and Dark Angels where delayed (it's been touched on in a short story). I'd love to see a series of books similar to the Dark Angel's novels showing the early days of the various legions. As far as major events, all that's left is signus prime and Terra as far as fluff goes. But there is plenty of opportunity to explore others and to flesh out the heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 @Legatus The events of Eskrador are solidly during the Scouring, if memory serves. IA:AL states that the Alphas were moving from area to area while the rest of the Traitors fell back on the Eye of Terror, working their way into Ultramar and making a nuisance of themselves, and that the two Legions finally came to blows at Eskrador. From what I know of, there is still: - Alpha Legion vs White Scars at Tallarn (source: IA:AL) - Alpha Legion vs Space Wolves at Yarrant (source: IA:AL) - Alpha Legion vs White Scars AND Space Wolves at Chondax (source: HH:CV) - Iron Warriors vs Iron Hands AND Imperial Fists at Tallarn (Possibly a Scouring-era fight?)(source: IA:Predators) - And I can't imagine that we wouldn't get to see any part of the battle in the webway with the Custodes and Sisters of Silence going to town on some daemons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Tallarn, forgot about that. Suposed to be the biggest Armoured engagement in the history of mankind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 - And I can't imagine that we wouldn't get to see any part of the battle in the webway with the Custodes and Sisters of Silence going to town on some daemons This I would love to see, though I imagine GW will save much of the info until closer to the end of the series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Eskrador was psot-heresy as was the Dark Angels fall (well Luther went renegade during the heresy but the Lion didn't find out till after Terra). @Legatus The events of Eskrador are solidly during the Scouring, if memory serves. IA:AL states that the Alphas were moving from area to area while the rest of the Traitors fell back on the Eye of Terror, working their way into Ultramar and making a nuisance of themselves, and that the two Legions finally came to blows at Eskrador. The Index Astartes account is somewhat ambiguous: "Well before the Warmaster's forces reached Terra, the Alpha Legion had become separated but continued to wage war on all that they came across. Even after the defeat of Horus on Terra, the Alpha Legion continued on unchecked, apparently inventing objectives and missions with absolutely no connection to the rebellion as a whole. They moved into the galactic east towards, whether by coincidence or design, the Ultramarines Legion. The Ultramarines had been posted on the Eastern Fringe when the Heresy began and were racing back to the Segmentum Solar. They were enraged at the treachery of their brother Space Marines and the Warmaster's connivance to keep them too far away to affect the outcome." The earlier sentence clearly refers to what the Alpha Legion was doing after Horus had fallen ("Even after the defeat of Horus..."). That makes it seem that the following description ("They moved into the galactic east... towards the Ultramarines Legion") chronologically takes place after the defeat of Horus as well. However, the Ultramarines are described as currently racing to Terra, which they were doing while the Imperial palace was under siege. So perhaps the earlier sentence was merely part of a broader description of their actions (a la "During the Heresy they went rogue, and continued even afterwards"), while the following passage is meant to describe a specific event that occured at some point, not meant as a follow up to the previous description. I.e. to paraphrase that account: "The Alpha Legion went rogue during the Heresy, and continued with that even after Horus was defeated. While the Battle for Terra was under way, they moved towards the Ultramarines and faced them on Eskrador." But maybe the account simply is not the best researched one. It contains quite a lot of implausible or seemingly inconsistent elements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Hmm. Well, fair enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I was perusing a thread in this board the other night, something to do with a wishlist for the remainder of the series. It got me thinking: what's left in the HH series? If I'm not mistaken, Age of Darkness covers the seven years between Istvaan and the Siege of Terra, and the events in Know No Fear, and Fear to Tread are basically right on the doorstep of the endgame. I did a searchy, but didn't turn up any good threads to answer the question, so, I'll post it here. Any rumors, any news, or any data would be great! Question: What events remain prior to the siege of Terra? And what books have been announced? What hints have been dropped? What rumors? It seems we approach the end. -Proteus In reality, this series can, and probaly will go on forever. It all depends on how much money Black Library wants to make off it. It actuallity, it probaly will be awhile before when even start to orbit Terra. Announcing the newest Horus Heresy title-The Horus Heresy: The Search for More Money ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 There's like, a million different things that BL is going to go into before the Siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 What I'd like to see The Secret War (Custodes and Sisters in the Webway) A HH novel dedicated to the WS The events leading up to the confrontation in which the Lion slits Curze's throat (and the fight itself of course) Siege of Terra as a trilogy :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 What I'd like to see The Secret War (Custodes and Sisters in the Webway) A HH novel dedicated to the WS The events leading up to the confrontation in which the Lion slits Curze's throat (and the fight itself of course) Siege of Terra as a trilogy :P Dunno how that would mesh with how recent fluff says M'Shen did kill Curze. Also, GK prequel series anyone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 As for the seige itself we're probably looking at something like 10 books to cover events from both sides of the war plus the secret war in the webway. As for pre-terra during the 7 years of civil war we have DA vs Night Lords, White Scars vs Alpha, Space wolves vs Alpha, whatever the heck the ultramarines are doing, that secret mission Lorgar and Angron go on, BA in the signus system, deathguard getting nurgled, sallies, sons of horus, iron warriors, 1k sons, all of the non space marines, oh lets not forget custodes and malcador. That's all the stuff we can reasonably expect to see and doesn't include anything they decide to toss into those 7 years that is extra. Could be anything from more stuff on the mechanicus to eldar to missing legions to great crusade flash backs. Edit: They could realistic keep the HH books focused and then launch a new line of 30K books dealing with everything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2993916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirdfox Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 A sidestory depicting the start and end of the siege of the Imperial Palace from the viewpoint of a normal (and very lucky) human soldier would be nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2997163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I dont understand why they dont feel like they can jump around. Its not like the ending of the Horus Heresy is a secret and it isnt like we'd stop buying the books, now is it? People still buy Star Wars books about the clone wars even though Episode Three came out... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2997183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 We still haven't seen: the Alpha Legion-Space Wolf struggle The battle of Tallarn the BA fighting the demons(it's coming soon though!) the Space Wolves and DA rushing to Terra the climax of the word bearer-Ultramarine campaign and a bunch more, there is still a lot to cover! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/#findComment-2997241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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