Marshal Rohr Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I really hope it doesn't actually take seven ;) years for them to get us to the Siege. Thats my favorite part of the whole :D thing. What happens in between is filler for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-2997270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 2993557[/url]']I know this is a long way off, but I'm looking forward to the time when all the legions are broken down into chapters. Specifically the chapters of Dorn. The three second founding chapters are the Black Templars, Crimson Fists, and Soul Drinkers. Specifically, I'd like to see who that first Chapter Master of the Soul Drinkers was, and how the story started, to where it picks up in Daenyathos and onward to their descent into Renegade in the further novels. Also, I'm a huge fan of the other two Dorn chapters, so seeing the first Black Templar crusade would be awesome. You can add the Excoriators to that list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-2997328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Rob Sanders. Why, bro? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-2997334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I dont understand why they dont feel like they can jump around. Its not like the ending of the Horus Heresy is a secret and it isnt like we'd stop buying the books, now is it? People still buy Star Wars books about the clone wars even though Episode Three came out... Exactly. There are still coolzors things that can be done, such as Dorn and Perturabo's friendship, iIrc, that cannot be done if we can only go forwards. Boo! How about some Sanguinius love? He gets such an awesome rep in the early books. Can BL bring that to life, or is the short segments easier to maintain his halo presence, so to speak. etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-2997452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Im a little upset that Sanders took the coolest thing about the Templars (the veterans of the <_< parts of the Horus Heresy and Scouring and made them into the Excoriators). Those experiences were supposed to be what molded them into being unwilling to adopt the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-2999740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Am I the only one who wants to see Vulkan suplex someone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-2999944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpedphonecian Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Night Lords: what happens to Sevatar!? will Malcharion make a cameo at the siege of Terra? (he better) The Battle of Skraal (post-heresy, but Khârn gets his nickname and traitor infighting is yet to be explored...) The book when John Grammaticus/Oll P. take a main role Iron Hands: This is probably the best legion to complement the Mechanicum/Skiitari Thousand Sons: 'Aurelian' has some great insight, their allegiance should be better explained, and the rubric of Ahriman needs to be explained so to not just be a casual reference without explanation ... yea those are at the top of my list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3003951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 The Battle of Skraal (post-heresy, but Khârn gets his nickname and traitor infighting is yet to be explored...) Don't you mean the Battle of Skalathrax? Skraal was the World Eater on the Furious Abyss, iirc. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpedphonecian Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 ahh, i stand corrected. heh, just finished Battle of the Abyss in time for Know no Fear. Skaaltharax it is :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I dont understand why they dont feel like they can jump around. Its not like the ending of the Horus Heresy is a secret and it isnt like we'd stop buying the books, now is it? People still buy Star Wars books about the clone wars even though Episode Three came out... That was one of the biggest complaints from the fandom. We stopped doing it purely because of the feedback. Too many people don't want origin stories, or any jumping around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 No one is ever going to be totally pleased though are they, that's the nature of the beast. There are loads of things that could be explored, things that haven't even been thought of yet or never will be, but I think eventually it'll be like a downhill rush to the Siege to finish it off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I dont understand why they dont feel like they can jump around. Its not like the ending of the Horus Heresy is a secret and it isnt like we'd stop buying the books, now is it? People still buy Star Wars books about the clone wars even though Episode Three came out... That was one of the biggest complaints from the fandom. We stopped doing it purely because of the feedback. Too many people don't want origin stories, or any jumping around. Can I have names and addresses please. Allow me to trim the 'fandom' into something more workable :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I got to agree with M2C. So long as the origin stories are engaging and interesting, I see no problems with them. My gripe with, say, the Dark Angels origin book was that it wasn't an origin story for the Legion OR the Primarch. It was about one guy joining the Order and then being chosen for the Legion when the Marines finally show up. If you're going for origin stories, show me the Primarch's formative years, show me what happened to him and what shaped him into the Primarch that we all know and love (or hate, as the case may be). The brief glimpses of Corax's guerilla war were an awesome example of what I mean. There are so many cool things about the Primarchs that we know of from their IAs that we may now never get to read about in epic prose: Ferrus dunking the silver wyrm in lava, Russ and the Emperor and their bout, Angron leading the slave army. . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Can I have names and addresses please. Allow me to trim the 'fandom' into something more workable ;) There's no such thing as "fandom", there's just the opinions of the loud people. Makes me wonder why they don't listen to you more :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Anaziel Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I dont understand why they dont feel like they can jump around. Its not like the ending of the Horus Heresy is a secret and it isnt like we'd stop buying the books, now is it? People still buy Star Wars books about the clone wars even though Episode Three came out... That was one of the biggest complaints from the fandom. We stopped doing it purely because of the feedback. Too many people don't want origin stories, or any jumping around. Does this mean that there won't be any books that explain in depth why Perturabo and Mortarion sided with Horus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpedphonecian Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If you're going for origin stories, show me the Primarch's formative years, show me what happened to him and what shaped him into the Primarch that we all know and love (or hate, as the case may be). The brief glimpses of Corax's guerilla war were an awesome example of what I mean. I've never been a big Raven Guard fan, but Deliverance Lost had some flashbacks from the guerrilla war; Ferrus Manus would be cool, but maybe they stay away from him because of his fate at Istvaan, like he's one less thing to worry about while writing the Heresy. just my speculation. There are so many cool things about the Primarchs that we know of from their IAs that we may now never get to read about in epic prose: Ferrus dunking the silver wyrm in lava, Russ and the Emperor and their bout, Angron leading the slave army. . . I guess I've accepted that the BL won't be able to cover everything. I thought "After De'Shea" was a satisfactory Angron background story, it was probably my favorite in "Tales of Heresy." I just finished KNF, and then managed to look at Aurelian, and I have absolutely no idea of how Angron is supposed to be involved with Calth, or maybe he's supposed to chill with Lorgar while Kor Phaeron and Erebus lead the assault. I guess I'm more interested in his role during the Heresy, as he's most-mentioned as a supporting character in the first 3 books. I do agree that Russ could be fleshed out a bit. Haven't started on Prospero Burns yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3004709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If the squeaky wheel gets the grease, I'm pretty damn squeaky, where's my grease? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3005210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I would say quite a few, I am especially looking forward to the battle of Tallarn, the greatest armoured war in the enitre history of the Imperium between the Iron Hands and Iron Warriors will no doubt, be awesome. Plus you have to remember that the authors will create new fluff with these books as the seven year war is where things start to get alittle vague. Who knows what will happen next Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3005246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If the squeaky wheel gets the grease, I'm pretty damn squeaky, where's my grease? ... What? :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3005266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If the squeaky wheel gets the grease, I'm pretty damn squeaky, where's my grease? ... What? :lol: People fix the things they notice, why haven't they fixed him yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3005306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor13 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Here's hoping origin stories get looked upon more kindly once the Siege of Terra has been covered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3005425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I dont understand why they dont feel like they can jump around. Its not like the ending of the Horus Heresy is a secret and it isnt like we'd stop buying the books, now is it? People still buy Star Wars books about the clone wars even though Episode Three came out... That was one of the biggest complaints from the fandom. We stopped doing it purely because of the feedback. Too many people don't want origin stories, or any jumping around. I bet more people want these than not, it is just that they aren't the vocal minority. I really want origin stories for my primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3005845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Too many people don't want origin stories But that's what I want most! Gah! Though I have to disagree with Deus Ex Ferrum. While I didn't especially like the Dark Angels' Horus Heresy novels, I rather think that giving the Primarchs and Legions their origin stories through the perspective of someone other than that Primarch is the better way to go. Though now that I think about it, I would really like to see an origin story based from the perspective of an enemy. Like the senator who kills Roboute's adopted father and sends him out all Julius Caesar-like. Or a powerful Khan troubled by a young upstart running around unifying his traditional enemies. But really, I kind of wished they had named this series the Great Crusade, and made the Horus Heresy its conclusion. I love the Horus Heresy, but what I want most out of it is only delivered as occasional flashbacks and recollections. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3005990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezzy Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I personally think we've seen enough of origin stories. At least in the context of an entire novel being centred around one. One of the big things of the Heresy series for me is seeing the Primarchs interact with the story and having them up front and centre. In 40K fiction they're revered and looked on as these titans of legend. In the Heresy books we get to see them in action both in the Great Crusade leading legions and at each others throats in the Heresy. The representations of Horus, Fulgrim, Lorgar and Magnus have been tremendous so far as they were the most detailed and in depth of the series. Here's to hoping we get the same kind of treatment for Sanguinius and Angron. Primarchs like Dorn, Guilliman and Russ suit the less close up observation because that suits their characters more than the kind of in the head stuff we had with say, Fulgrim. I agree with the feedback that ADB was referencing earlier that we don't want to get bogged down in origin stories for every single Primarch, we don't need to know how they all grew up to be the boss of whatever planet they landed on. We'd have never even got to the Crusade itself starting until we were 18 books in if the writers took that approach. Only very specific Primarch's with important or strange origins that need fleshing out or updating deserve origin stories. Example: Night Haunter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3006256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'd like to see the Iron Warriors fleshed out. Not so much an origin story for Perturabo, but something showing the Legion turning away from the Emperor and what was it about Horus that got them so convinced he was the one to follow. Did Horus change the way they were used in battle, did he say they could stop being garrison troops and give them more time to shine and get glory, or did he just promise them that and used them the same way the Emperor did? I'd also like to see a book devoted to the spread of Emperor worship and whether anyone tied in Lorgar with its creation. Tonnes of material still to go and we have no real idea what all the xenos were doing at this time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247236-what-remains-of-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3010146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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