Corax's survival doomed the Emperor - SPOILERS

[Epistolary Exander]

I think the genetech is more important if the Emperor just gave it to Magnus so he could use it to save and/ or rebuild his legion from the flesh change and therefore prevent Magnus's fall to Tzeentch. That would have allowed the SW and 1K Sons to both remain loyal fighting against Horus which would have probably saved the Big E's life :lol:.

[Rysaer]

I think the genetech is more important if the Emperor just gave it to Magnus so he could use it to save and/ or rebuild his legion from the flesh change and therefore prevent Magnus's fall to Tzeentch. That would have allowed the SW and 1K Sons to both remain loyal fighting against Horus which would have probably saved the Big E's life :).

 

That's a pretty cool idea, although I think that even if the 1k Sons did manage to be cured, I think they would still have had the wolves sent after them, as they were were sent to destroy the 1k sons for breaking the Nikea Edict rather than their flesh changes?

 

-Rysaer

[ftcosiris]

You have an interesting point about the Emperor making the changes himself but he was stuck on his throne and couldn't do it.

 

The Emperor had been stuck there since before he found out about Horus's uprising (ie since Magnus broke into the webway). Dorn had not spoken with him. For that matter, the only person he really had contacted was Malcador. Corax was presumptuous enough to demand an audience.

 

 

Anyhow, the point really is that since there is another 6 or so years left in the Heresy. I think that Dorn would have eventually been given the tech. (or some other Primarch.)

 

 

You were correct about the current cut and dry story being best. I just was pointing out the unintended consequence was that the Emperor wound up with far fewer Marines than if he had given it to Dorn . . . or if he had demanded that Corax do the research on Terra.

 

I also think Exander's point was that if the Emperor had given Magnus the genetech BEFORE Magnus made his little deal with the devil. The deal he made to stop the flesh change the first time. Tzeentch would not have gotten Magnus to start down the road that eventually wound up with him violating the Nikea edict (and may have prevented the Nikea edict from being necessary in the first place). In other words, had Magnus not made that first deal with Tzeentch, he might have thought himself less than "all-powerful." Magnus might have been more cautious in pursuing power, resulting in the Librarians in general, and the 1k sons in particular, being more cautious, resulting in less fear and suspicion from Russ, Curze, Mortarian, etc, resulting in less of an outcry to ban psykers in the Astares, resulting in the Emperor not making his edict.

 

Anyhow, I liked both of your points and thought them very interesting.

[Giacomo Picchiarelli]

I disagree. The Emperor was doomed because he didn't (or couldn't) use his *full* force to destroy Horus, his son. Human behaviour after all. I think that, he gave genetech to Corax because he's the most humble Primarch. Completely different from Emperor's Children or even Dorn. IMHO Corax was the most balanced and if he was named Warmaster, things could have gone in a different way.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I disagree. The Emperor was doomed because he didn't (or couldn't) use his *full* force to destroy Horus, his son. Human behaviour after all. I think that, he gave genetech to Corax because he's the most humble Primarch. Completely different from Emperor's Children or even Dorn. IMHO Corax was the most balanced and if he was named Warmaster, things could have gone in a different way.

 

i love Corax. I love the Raven Guard, and they are my second 40k army.

 

but in no way is Corax the most humble of the Primarchs or balanced.

 

the most balanced was the Luna Wolves, who were truly the best legion prior to the fall. there is no ifs, and or buts about it. ( i would put the ultramarines close behind them on the "balanced" chart.

 

and again, Corax is awesome, but not warmaster material. there is only 1 primarch who could have been warmaster, and that was horus. he had all the combined skills required to manage his brothers, and i am surprised he did as well as he did for as long as he did. (sanguinius would be my second choice if i was forced to make one)

 

WLK

[Lord_Caerolion]

I also think Exander's point was that if the Emperor had given Magnus the genetech BEFORE Magnus made his little deal with the devil. The deal he made to stop the flesh change the first time. Tzeentch would not have gotten Magnus to start down the road that eventually wound up with him violating the Nikea edict (and may have prevented the Nikea edict from being necessary in the first place). In other words, had Magnus not made that first deal with Tzeentch, he might have thought himself less than "all-powerful." Magnus might have been more cautious in pursuing power, resulting in the Librarians in general, and the 1k sons in particular, being more cautious, resulting in less fear and suspicion from Russ, Curze, Mortarian, etc, resulting in less of an outcry to ban psykers in the Astares, resulting in the Emperor not making his edict.

 

The problem is though that the fleshchange seems to be an intrinsic part of the Thousand Sons, rather than something able to be switched off. To put it another way, giving Magnus the genetech to fix the fleshchange would be like giving oil-soaked kindling to a man who's house is burning down, so that he can build up again what's burned away. He doesn't need more kindling, he either needs a different material entirely, or a magic spell to stop the wood from burning. Magnus only had that second option available, unless he practically gave up his Legion, and took over a portion of one of the other Legions.