Centurion Tom Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Hi guys. First few ideas for my own chapter. To cut a long story short I picked up a couple of deathwatch books at a boot sale and have spent the afternoon rolling on the create your own chapter. Before I start building on the background I want to get some feedback, to see if it's a good idea ect. I would like to say I took the first results except for where it made no sense ( such as rolling Space Wolves on geen-seed Progenitor and also was also on the verge of a chapter who liked to use ranged weaponry but also fought eye to whenever possible!!!). Ok so here's the theme I've got: Blood Angle successor founded during the 36th millennium with an altered gene seed (leading to a defect in the catalepsean node). They fight to uphold the honour of the emperor and they use shock and awe as a combat docterine. They believe in a chapter cult , plus they believe in duty untill death. They have Esoteric religious belief. Lastly they are under strength and have a unique organisation. I can also choose a speciality restriction which could also lead to something intreasting (the example given is no scout company). Now I didn't really set out to make a blood angel chapter and I don't have their codex but from what I know I think it fits nicely, maybe nothing to out of the ordinary so I guess I would have to expand on the background to get a unique feel. Their home world is medieval and an ocean world, however I was thinking of possible making it heroic era Greece themed. I think this may tie nicely in (and it's sort of a medieval society) and I could play a Trojan war angle. So on that note I came up with the name: Scions of Apollo Now I know Apollo was hardly the most aggressive god and was known more for his benificial side and he was known as an archer, I feel he fits in with the whole blood angel image (well not the vampire aspects) such as patron of the arts and the whole Golden Apollo and his association with the sun god. Also the Archer aspects links in with the pre bombardment. To tie all this together I also considered having them as a very clean looking army (maybe white armour) so they looked like examplry beneficial warrior, but also include plenty of skull symbols, death masks, images of fallen heroes, the blood symbol (obviously) and skulls/heads taken from enemies, to give them a dark undertone. Maybe a dark red trim to tie it all together? The hierarchy would be slanted towards chaplains (or whatever blood angels call them). Maybe a mixture of tanks (can blood angels take whirlwinds?) and assult troops? So is this to predictable, should I return to drawing board and hope the emperor presents me with a more original chapter, or do you think there is potential for an intreasting chapter? (sorry if this is inapporpriate for this forum) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Tom Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 Sorry for double post but i think i have a much superior idea but wanted to keep the old. Name: Sons of Persus / Angelus Persus Progenitor: Blood Angel Belief: Death cult, trophy taking, totemic charm... Combat Docterine:Terror, up close and personal, no mercy. Home world: Uninhabited/airless Chapter Hero: former BA/successor captain who led a crusade to destroy a know unknown alien threat (hence the formation of the chapter). The idea is that they are a rather brooding insular chapter that shuns contact with other, but on the battlefield they become wild almost uncontrolable warriors (basically the flaw in their geen-seed). Their insular nature and death cult is their way of dealing with the flaw. They also have a mutated catalepsean node which I think would link with the death company some how. The totemic charm comes from them recruiting from ferrel worlds. Not sure on the name though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 One quick problem is the, "Chapter Hero: former BA/successor captain who led a crusade to destroy a know unknown alien threat (hence the formation of the chapter)." Are you trying to say they were formed FOR that? If so, that would be the problem. Chapters are all founding during a specific founding. Of course, the hero itself can be the same. After all, the training cadre for the new chapter comes from the old chapter. So there are two big options for that that I can think of: 1) The captain was chosen to lead the new chapter BECAUSE he had led a crusade so well or 2) The captain became the first chapter master of the new chapter, and led a VERY successful crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 No, theres a section in the charts you roll on to determine founding fathers. The chapter would have been created FOR the Crusade and the famous father would have THEN led the Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 No, theres a section in the charts you roll on to determine founding fathers. The chapter would have been created FOR the Crusade and the famous father would have THEN led the Crusade. Doesn't that defy all that we have been told on these boards?! :P And what about which founding it was? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 If the High Lords have enough forewarning they can designate chapters from a new founding to support an upcoming crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 If the High Lords have enough forewarning they can designate chapters from a new founding to support an upcoming crusade. That makes sense! Well, I apologize! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 In general though, its better to pick a founding then participate in the crusade. Other than that, of to a good start! Keen to see how this progresses. Though no scout company is interesting, how do you manage your recruits? In the BT style? Or another way altogether.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Tom Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 One quick problem is the, "Chapter Hero: former BA/successor captain who led a crusade to destroy a know unknown alien threat (hence the formation of the chapter)." Are you trying to say they were formed FOR that? If so, that would be the problem. Chapters are all founding during a specific founding. Of course, the hero itself can be the same. After all, the training cadre for the new chapter comes from the old chapter. So there are two big options for that that I can think of: 1) The captain was chosen to lead the new chapter BECAUSE he had led a crusade so well or 2) The captain became the first chapter master of the new chapter, and led a VERY successful crusade. Yeah sorry I didn't make this clear. The idea is you roll for a former hero and then their deed. I could change the hero to a former captain of my chapter, or he could have seconded from the BA/successor. My idea for their formation currently sits as. Founded to destroy and contain an alien race (who where ect willcome later) which the emperors tarot had predicted would be a threat to the imperium if left unchecked. The xenos were compleatly wiped out and the chapter was given the xenos now baron former home planet (maybe a sence of resentment here, given an airless barren planet on the edge of space?). They recruit from nearby feral worlds. Obviously very basic at the moment. Though no scout company is interesting, how do you manage your recruits? In the BT style? Or another way altogether... This needs thought, no scout company was the example given in deathwatch. I may grab the codex and see if there's anything there that the chapter can lack, or just see how the early background develops. Really not keen on the name, possibly the hardest part of the process for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 One quick problem is the, "Chapter Hero: former BA/successor captain who led a crusade to destroy a know unknown alien threat (hence the formation of the chapter)." Are you trying to say they were formed FOR that? If so, that would be the problem. Chapters are all founding during a specific founding. Of course, the hero itself can be the same. After all, the training cadre for the new chapter comes from the old chapter. So there are two big options for that that I can think of: 1) The captain was chosen to lead the new chapter BECAUSE he had led a crusade so well or 2) The captain became the first chapter master of the new chapter, and led a VERY successful crusade. Yeah sorry I didn't make this clear. The idea is you roll for a former hero and then their deed. I could change the hero to a former captain of my chapter, or he could have seconded from the BA/successor. My idea for their formation currently sits as. Founded to destroy and contain an alien race (who where ect willcome later) which the emperors tarot had predicted would be a threat to the imperium if left unchecked. The xenos were compleatly wiped out and the chapter was given the xenos now baron former home planet (maybe a sence of resentment here, given an airless barren planet on the edge of space?). They recruit from nearby feral worlds. Obviously very basic at the moment. Though no scout company is interesting, how do you manage your recruits? In the BT style? Or another way altogether... This needs thought, no scout company was the example given in deathwatch. I may grab the codex and see if there's anything there that the chapter can lack, or just see how the early background develops. Really not keen on the name, possibly the hardest part of the process for me. This all sounds good, however, I would not say created, rather, picked to take part as a Chapter from day one in a Crusade as the main Astartes force. As for name, how does Angelis et Ares sound? A chapter doesn't need to lack anything, really, to make it interesting. The Ultras are interesting and they are 'normal' as are Imperial Fists and White Scars and Black Consuls. Its all in the background. Yes, divergences are cool, but not needed. Also, I dont think a chapter would resent an airless world, they would probably like the seclusion. Maybe recruits have to train/fight each other on the world with limited air to whittle down large numbers of recruits to just a handful? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Tom Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 Ahh ok so I could say that the crusade was the chapters first major engament, and their gift of the world was to enable to guard the sector from future xenos incursions or something. Would Angelus Ares make sence? On a tangent Angelus Mars could be a cool Blood Angel style mechanised force with close ties to the Mechanicus. Hmmmm.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Angels of Mars hints at too close a connection, I prefer Angelus Ares (Angels of Ares). Ill think of some more names. What kind of names do you want? Greek and Angels all in High Gothic? Or can I offer up other alternatives. Plus, due to the Baal Predator the Mechanicum would luve closer ties with you :D But your brothers would not! So, I think stay away from that angle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Tom Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 I never intended a chapter with such a link, just the name came to mind. I quite like Angelus Saturnus as I like the Roman version of Saturn in their mythology but again Saturn is the planet the grey knights home orbits and I don't want to suggest a link. The reason for the Greek slant is as part of a part I've degree I'm doing I am studying Myth in the Greek and Roman World so it's basically my main form of inspiratio Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-2996716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well, hello and welcome in the Liber. You are proposing two different Chapters (sort of), so I'm going to comment both. Blood Angle successor founded during the 36th millennium with an altered gene seed (leading to a defect in the catalepsean node). (Lol) This is not exactly fortunate combination. - The Blood Angels gene-seed is not used, because the Curse of Sanquinius. I'm not saying, you cannot have BA Chapter from 36th Millenium, just that the older Foundings (20th and less) are more likely. - 36th Millenium was the time of Cursed Founding, an attempt to cure faults in gene-seed. The lore suggests that Lamenters were the only ones of the BA geneline. - You can guess the result from the nickname of this founding, which makes any other attempts to mess with gene-seed after that a little questionable. Now I didn't really set out to make a blood angel chapter and I don't have their codex but from what I know I think it fits nicely, maybe nothing to out of the ordinary so I guess I would have to expand on the background to get a unique feel. The Ward's codex is piece of garbage, when it comes to background. Try to look around for the previous Codex, it was in pdf format freely available on GW site. Now I know Apollo was hardly the most aggressive god and was known more for his benificial side and he was known as an archer, I feel he fits in with the whole blood angel image (well not the vampire aspects) such as patron of the arts and the whole Golden Apollo and his association with the sun god. Also the Archer aspects links in with the pre bombardment. Eh, I would say Dionysus/Bacchus fits the theme of Blood Angels better, but the choice is yours. (Or of course you can mix aspects of both.) Combat Docterine:Terror, up close and personal, no mercy. That's how everyone in W40k roll, when someone shows mercy it's usually just to screw you more. The idea is that they are a rather brooding insular chapter that shuns contact with other, but on the battlefield they become wild almost uncontrolable warriors (basically the flaw in their geen-seed). Their insular nature and death cult is their way of dealing with the flaw. Already taken. By Flesh Tearers and Angels Vermillion. Not sure on the name though... The "Angels of" format is more used for successors of Dark Angels. The BA successors are often "Angels something" like Angels Encarmine or Angels Sanguine. ~NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247458-chapter-conception/#findComment-3000311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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