SDarmy Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Im doing an imperial fist seargent just after the seige of the imperial palace has lifted. My questions are What should my trim color be? I've seen some of the newer artwork with the red trim and strip on the backpack. Is there a good place to find some images of heresy era ? Also. The mini im useing has a very detailed aquila on the chest.. how off is that. Do i need to sculpt up a fist to replace the eagle ? Any input is appreciated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Im doing an imperial fist seargent just after the seige of the imperial palace has lifted. My questions are What should my trim color be? I've seen some of the newer artwork with the red trim and strip on the backpack. Is there a good place to find some images of heresy era ? Also. The mini im useing has a very detailed aquila on the chest.. how off is that. Do i need to sculpt up a fist to replace the eagle ? Any input is appreciated I believe it is mentioned in Fulgrim but it is mentioned that the Emperor's Children were the only Legion that wore the Aquila on their armor. As far as trim goes, either red or black would be good. Or maybe a reddish-black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2997243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 There is a pretty good image here Clicky Hope I could help Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2997293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 If you could sculpt a fist for his chest plate I think that would not only be best but also look great. Personally my own sculpting skills are somewhat lacking so I turned the Aquila on my pre-Heresy Thousand Sons into winged scarabs. If you want to leave the wings, perhaps you can make a winged fist emblem? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2997296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Forgeworld used to have a set of Imperial fists icons. The smalllest fist in that set is ideal for chest decoration -used it on my captain http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/sp...rmy_captain.jpg . I can´t seem to find in on their website now though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2997312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Forgeworld used to have a set of Imperial fists icons. The smalllest fist in that set is ideal for chest decoration -used it on my captain http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/sp...rmy_captain.jpg . I can´t seem to find in on their website now though. Is this the one you were talking about? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2997316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Yeah, it looks like it, but the once I have are in resin... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2997456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 The aquila was added to all armour to mark those that stayed loyal. It might have originally been a mark of honour for being at the siege of Terra as well so it might make sense for an Imperial Fist to have one on his armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2997489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDarmy Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 That black library image is nice. Shows them with black trim. Thank you. With the Aquila , im not sure how i will go. The boarding marine has such a nice aquila sculpted that it would be a shame to carve it up. My sculpting skills are ok, nothing great but i should be able to pull it off. Ill have to decide soon. If i remember right the aquila was put on armor after the heresy but some individuals had it added as marks of honor. Kind of like the crux terminaus. Hmmm!gotta think on that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2998111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T14 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The EC were the only troops honored as a legion to wear the Aquila. That does not exclude exceptional individuals from other formations to be granted that honor as well. - T14 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-2999673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdannan Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 The Emperor's children were the only legion that could wear the aquila. That doesn't mean individuals couldn't wear it after some token honour. During the siege of Terra, multiple armours were in production for the loyalists. The most advanced armours were the mk 7 and mk 8 armours. Since your marine is post the siege, I think its perfectly reasonable that he either a ) earned great honour therefore could wear the aquila, or b ) earned the right to use one of the new experimental suits. As for the trim colour, from the Index Astartes article, pre heresy Fists have the black trim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3003317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 As mentioned above during the Great Crusade the Emperor's Children were honoured as a Legion with the right to wear the Aquila but during the Siege of Terra it became a mark of loyalty to help the defenders identify one another so it's perfectly fitting for your Fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3003328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgar 2.0 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 The Emperor's children were the only legion that could wear the aquila. That doesn't mean individuals couldn't wear it after some token honour. During the siege of Terra, multiple armours were in production for the loyalists. The most advanced armours were the mk 7 and mk 8 armours. Since your marine is post the siege, I think its perfectly reasonable that he either a ) earned great honour therefore could wear the aquila, or b ) earned the right to use one of the new experimental suits. As for the trim colour, from the Index Astartes article, pre heresy Fists have the black trim. Mk.8 was not being produced yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3006573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I forget the name of it but the loyalist symbol was the winged skull, not the aquila which is the two headed eagle. During the siege and after it would be acceptable to use the winged skull torsos. Perhaps the loyalists used the aquila as well as that is the symbol of the Emperor but the winged skull should take priority. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3007447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Also Nathaniel Garro was using aquila, even before the Horus Heresy, just like Emperor's Children. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3007469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 If he was a non-First Company Imp. Fist he would prolly sport the black trim with Imperial Fist logos or aquila as stated above if a hero or exceptional. A First Company Imp. Fist would have Templar/Maltese Cross iconography on the chest and shoulders. Does anyone know if the Templars paint their armor black before (after Emperor's death) or after the Codex Reformation? I think I read about that somewhere but cannot remember. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3009418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T14 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Sigismund took the black livery of chaplains upon becoming the Emperor's Champion IIRC. at the 2nd founding the BT adopted Sigismunds livery as their own. - T14 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3017501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Sigismund took the black livery of chaplains upon becoming the Emperor's Champion IIRC. at the 2nd founding the BT adopted Sigismunds livery as their own. - T14 Yep. Any Horus Heresy series references to Sigismund wearing black, thus far, are anachronistic. He didn't wear black until he was named "The Emperor's Champion" by the Imperial Fist Chaplains during the Siege Of Terra. Black armor is the sign of devotion directly to The Emperor, which is why Chaplains wear black, why Sigismund adopted black, and why all subsequent traditions derived from Sigusmund wear black (e.g. The Black Templar and most Emperor's Champions). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3018334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Any Horus Heresy series references to Sigismund wearing black, thus far, are anachronistic. I wasn't aware of any actual references to him wearing black anywhere in the Horus Heresy material. I've seen a few misreadings of sources, that result in claims of him being portrayed in black armour, but still no actual reference to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3018403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Any Horus Heresy series references to Sigismund wearing black, thus far, are anachronistic. I wasn't aware of any actual references to him wearing black anywhere in the Horus Heresy material. I've seen a few misreadings of sources, that result in claims of him being portrayed in black armour, but still no actual reference to it. It's been a long while since I read them, but I do believe he shows up described in black armor in one of the first 3 books when Dorn is visiting Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3018407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdannan Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 As far as I remember, he is described as wearing black and white heraldry, but with golden armour. Took me awhile to finally get that reference. Will find it later when I have the book at hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3018446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazguire Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 As far as I remember, he is described as wearing black and white heraldry, but with golden armour. Took me awhile to finally get that reference. Will find it later when I have the book at hand. It's in Horus Rising IIRC and also mentions his black heraldry in Mechanicus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3020944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 The Sigismund wearing black comes from the white dwarf article for the twenty fifth GW anniversary (not 40k :) ) where they made the first EC model sculpted by Juan Diaz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3023645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 The Sigismund wearing black comes from the white dwarf article for the twenty fifth GW anniversary (not 40k ;) ) where they made the first EC model sculpted by Juan Diaz. I have the tale of how Sigismund became Champion and got his black armor during the Siege Of Terra from earlier than 2003. When was the 25th Anniversary? That should be 2000, right? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3023668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDarmy Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 Thank you for all the help. Igot my mini pretty close to done. I entered him in the crystal brush at adepticon and got bronze in the Sci-fi single catagory. I'll post pics when I get a chance . Till then you can see him over at the cool mini site Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247539-pre-heresy-imperial-fist/#findComment-3046220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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