Grey Knight Strike Squads in Transports Deployment Options

[FallenAngels]

Hello,

 

I am having issues wrapping my head around certain deployment situations with this unit set up:

 

10 Grey Knights strikes with a Razorback. I was deploying a combat squad in the dedicated transport and keeping the 5 man strike squad in reserve to deep strike.

 

I recently found out if the unit begins in reserves, I have to deploy entire unit. Think Dawn of War scenario, where the rest of your army rolls in on the start of the first turn. So as I mentioned above I would deploy 1/2 the squad in the razorback and keep the rest in reserves to deep strike.

 

This is wrong according to the INATFAQv5.0.1

 

◊GK.21F.01 – Q: Can a unit arriving from Reserves be split into combat squads and if so, exactly when does this happen?

 

A: A unit with the ‘Combat Squads’ rule may be split right before moving them onto the table (or before deploying them via Deep Strike, where applicable). If the unit was declared to be arriving from Reserve in a transport vehicle then it may not be split unless the vehicle is able to carry both combat squads (such as with some Super-Heavy transports) or has a special rule that specifies otherwise(such as with a Drop Pod) [clarification].

Ref: BA.23C.01, DA.23D.01, SM.51D.01

 

◊GK.21F.03 – Q: If a unit is split into ‘Combat Squads’ can one of those combat squads then be placed into Reserves?

 

A: No, as the unit may only be split into combat squadswhen actually deployed (and placing it into Reserve means it isn’t deployed until it arrives on the table) [clarification].

 

So as I understand it I have 2 options

#1 Empty dedicated transport rolls on in turn 1 and the entire unit is kept in reserves and rolls for deep strike

#2 Everything just walks on and dedicated transport rolls on empty

 

Do those two options seem accurate?

 

My other question is in a scenario where I can deploy my whole army, can I do my combat squad tactic where I deploy a combat squad in a razorback and keep the other combat squad in reserve?

 

Thanks so much for any input, I did a quick search and didnt see anything in the forums.

[Arikel]

Short answer is no you cannot deploy half the squad and keep the other combat squad in reserve. Units that combat squad can only do so when deployed, so it means you have to deploy both combat squads at the same time. You basically can have 3 scenarios with a squad that can deepstrike.

 

1. Unit is deployed during your deployment phase, you declare combat squads and place each one in your starting area. Neither squad can start in the razor back, they would have to embark it the first turn.

 

2. Unit is being deployed by deepstrike. It can be combat squadded during the deep strike and the units can come down on different parts of the board. Drop pod deployed squads can split when they disembark as a special exception.

 

3. The entire squad is held in reserve. When you roll to bring it in you can deploy it as two combat squads, deep striking or walking on the board as the units abilities may allow. One squad could walk on, and the other squad could deepstrike, if you wish. Neither combat squad can come in on the razor back as they do not actually split until deployment is completed. The razor back can be held on reserve or deployed at the start of the game, in both cases it deploys empty.

[ValourousHeart]

1. Unit is deployed during your deployment phase, you declare combat squads and place each one in your starting area. Neither squad can start in the razor back, they would have to embark it the first turn.

 

Correction... Either can start the game deployed in the razor back.

 

3. The entire squad is held in reserve. When you roll to bring it in you can deploy it as two combat squads, deep striking or walking on the board as the units abilities may allow. One squad could walk on, and the other squad could deepstrike, if you wish. Neither combat squad can come in on the razor back as they do not actually split until deployment is completed. The razor back can be held on reserve or deployed at the start of the game, in both cases it deploys empty.

 

Can't find my BRB at the moment... Please site page reference where it says that half can DS and other half can walk on. 97.6% sure that one squad could roll on in the razor back in this case too.

[number6]

Just because you combat squad doesn't mean you get two units to play reserves shenanigans with. If the original, un-squadded unit is in reserves, BOTH units MUST be in reserves as well.

 

However, you MAY deploy one of the squads into a transport and put the other on the table, if you wish.

 

And please ignore the INAT FAQ. It's a piece of garbage -- actually changing game rules -- that pretty much only Adepticon uses. I don't know of any other tourney outside of those run by Adeptus Windy City that employs it.

[Arikel]

You can only embark a squad in it's dedicated transport if the entire squad can fit in the transport at the time of deployment. A 10 man squad cannot fit into a razor back until it has been combat squadded. Therefore if they are held in reserve, the razorback has to be rolled as a separate unit, as the whole squad cannot fit and you can't combat squad until deployed. If they start on the table they still can't start in the razor back for the same reason, they can't combat squad till the moment they are being deployed, one of the combat squads can embark the razorback on the first turn though.

 

Edit: At work at the moment, I'll try and get some page refs later on. Maybe port this to offical rules forum also then?

[breng77]

NO they can split and one half can start in the Razor so long as both halves are deployed at the start of the game. You would DEPLOY 1/2 in the Razor, and DEPLOY the other half on the table, when they are deployed. You make the decision to combat squad at the time of deployment, the same time as you decide what goes in a transport. The only time this would not be the case is in Dawn of war where your units start off the table, but it is largely irrelivant as they can walk on directly behind it and hop in immediately.

 

Then answer to pretty much every thing else in this thread is NO you cannot do it.

 

1.) NO deploying 1/2 a squad in a transport that is in reserve.

2.) No walking 1/2 on and Deepstriking the other

[FallenAngels]

Thanks all!

 

Yeah the reason I used the INAT FAQ is because I am getting ready for Adepticon...

 

So based on the feedback I think I understand my deployment options for that unit in a full deployment situation:

 

1. Razorback deploys and I reserve the entire squad to eventually deepstrike

2. Razorback deploys with a combat squad embarked, the other combat squad can be placed in my deployment zone

3. Razorback deploys with both combat squads disembarked within my deployment zone

4. Reserve everything

 

I hope that's right because I think that's what makes sense to me!

 

Thanks again!