b1soul Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 It's semantics because the people who actually bothered to defend Prospero had no idea it was coming until it happened. Precisely, the whole point was that Magnus betrayed his legion big time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247550-no-sw-successor-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2998806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Technically that would be 5000 since half the Space Wolves became Wolf Brothers. Not really because the Wolf Brothers swiftly died out ---the Invasion of Prospero. No longer a complete sneak attack, we now have Russ warning Magnus (or attempting to) and the Thousand Sons prepping the defense of their home world. (sure, without Magnus's help initially, but he managed to kill a fair amount of Wolves once he got into the game) I agree with most of what you say, but not with the above. How was it not a complete surprise attack? I'm assuming you've read A Thousand Sons. Magnus deliberately kept his legion ignorant of the impending attack. Magnus killed a TSons captain (and several other marines) just to prevent them from informing their comrades. Magnus sent a large portion of the defensive fleet away from Prospero and ensured that the planetary defenses were lowered. It was one of the greatest betrayals a primarch perpetrated against his own legion. Magnus' intent was to accept the Emperor's sanction without fighting back. He did everything in his power to prevent his legion from mounting an effective defense. The TSons discovered there was an invasion coming their way literally at the last minute when the Wolves were already breaching their defenses. Well, from the Wolf point of view, Russ believes he sent Magnus a warning of the attack (via Hawser). So he went about his war-making with the knowledge that he tried to reach out, and tried to deal with his brother honorably. I cant call it a sneak attack because Russ announced his intentions (through a faulty source, but he tried), and Magnus knew of it coming (though he hid it from his Legion). i think a better term than sneak attack would be "clusterfrag". (what can only be seen as 40k irony, i wonder how suprised Russ was when the TSs started to defend themselves? He sent his warning, and then approached Prospero without attack or retribution. I wonder if he thought that Magnus had heeded his request, and would come along "peacefully", only for the TSs to start defending themselves. Double betrayal in his eyes) WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247550-no-sw-successor-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2998830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well the Thousand Sons did have some forewarning in the remembrancer going nuts with all the, "The Wolves are coming!" trances and Ahiriman did foresee Prospero in ruins but could not interpret it until it was too late. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247550-no-sw-successor-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2999769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 The only problem with that is so many cultures use wolves as a foreshadowing of danger. So when you have a glorified, superhuman bookeeper hear a prophecy of "The Wolves are coming!" he won't really think of it as literally the Wolves are coming so much as "Danger Will Robinson! Danger!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247550-no-sw-successor-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2999996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 The only problem with that is so many cultures use wolves as a foreshadowing of danger. So when you have a glorified, superhuman bookeeper hear a prophecy of "The Wolves are coming!" he won't really think of it as literally the Wolves are coming so much as "Danger Will Robinson! Danger!" However, the Thousand Sons took it seriously enough to kill her for more information. In addition, this isn't an instance of unfounded foreshadowing when the Emperor specifically has a body of "Wolves" he uses to sanction wayward legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247550-no-sw-successor-chapters/page/2/#findComment-3000183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 IIRC it was when they killed her that they heard about the Wolves. And then there is a whole debate on whether or not the Wolves are meant just to be Legion executioners. Although for some reason I can't seem to find it. Especially since the only person(s) who seems to realize that the Wolves are meant to be Astartes Executioners is a single Grey Hunter. In fact, the evidence seems to suggest that the Wolves were used instead of the Night Lords and the World Eaters because (how did that quote by Sevatar say it again) the Wolves were like leashed dogs were the World Eaters were just insane and the Night Lords were just murders and would make the execution last forever. EDIT: I found it! http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=245559 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247550-no-sw-successor-chapters/page/2/#findComment-3000372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Their were 2 legions that used a wolf as a symbol, Spacewolves and Luna Wolves. Age of Darkness uses the wolfsymbol for the Luna wolves as well, even though they are already renamed into Sons of Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247550-no-sw-successor-chapters/page/2/#findComment-3000393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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