Ghent Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I love the runes on it, but it's just too stiff. Looks like the old metal terms. He needs some fur and an open helmet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I'm going to go against the grain here, and state that these "wolves" look more like anorexic coyotes than wolves. In my personal opinion, I don't think any of the designers/sculptors at GW have even seen a real wolf. How do they compare to Goblin Wolfrider wolves? And what makes them more "coyote-ish" than "wolfish"- narrow muzzle? Pointier ears? Considering how close coyotes and wolves are in appearence, does it really matter that much? The goblin wolfrider wolves look like wolves......not something that looks like it hasn't eaten in weeks. Take the goblin wolves, and increase their size to fit a marine (keeping the proportions equal due to the increased size). The things that make them coyote-ish are the narrow ears, legs that don't have a lot of muscle mass, narrow muzzle profile. I've seen plenty of wolves and coyotes, and IMO, these sculpts are more coyote than not. That being said, props to GW for attempting to do this, but I'm afraid they missed the mark again. I don't like them, but many do. So be it - not everyone has the same tastes in things (that would make life really boring :) ) Runepriest http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1184813_99120209004_O&GGoblinWolfRidersMain_873x627.jpg VERSUS lulwhut? I'm GLAD that they are no longer the hideous, pig-nosed, goblin wolf riders. Not only were the heads horrendous, but the bodies were stale, static, and as fat as the boar rider mounts, and the fur looked like a zebra. Next up, a challenge to all you QQers on it looking like a coyote and not a wolf: Which is the Wolf and which is the Coyote? http://i.pbase.com/o5/34/564334/1/69171541.j2ZERZiS.20061023RMNPcoyote02.jpg http://images.northrup.org/picture/xl/red-wolf/red-wolf-2.jpg Bottom line, I don't care if it's wolf, coyote, or fox... it is now lupine in form and feral as hell. That is all that should matter. Furthermore, who wants a fat warbeast? The leaner the beast, the hungrier they are. It was historically common practice to starve wardogs so they would be more driven to ferocity in battle. I think the leanness of these models capture that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I can't believe they repackaged that old crappy rune priest in TDA. Ugliest term ever. http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1240709_99060101148_SWrunepriesttermarmourmain_445x319.jpg I'm I one of the only people who liked the model? It was based on one of the original metal box set terminators. Just a few bits added on so not even a SW specific sculpts originally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpetual Dawn Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Bottom line, I don't care if it's wolf, coyote, or fox... it is now lupine in form and feral as hell. That is all that should matter. Furthermore, who wants a fat warbeast? The leaner the beast, the hungrier they are. It was historically common practice to starve wardogs so they would be more driven to ferocity in battle. I think the leanness of these models capture that. I imagine in the 41st millennium there is only war and no maccy d's. So in a similar vein wolf chow must be scarce too. However the sculpts have them running at full pelt and when my dog runs at full pelt, which is a wolf breed, appears skinny but is intact quite long when stretched out in the run. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ok so here are those prices again in Aussie $$$ but with a percent hike. Space Wolves Thunderwolf Cavalry 3 Fig Box 3-Mar-12 $72.00 New Plastic Space Wolves Fenrisian Wolf Pack 5 Fig Box 3-Mar-12 $35.00 New Plastic Arjac Rockfist, The Anvil of Fenris 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $35.00 New Resin Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf 1 Fig Box 3-Mar-12 $55.00 New Resin Space Wolves Grey Hunter with Wolf Standard 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $35.00 New Resin Space Wolves Cyberwolf 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $22.00 New Resin Ragnar Blackmane 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Ulrik the Slayer 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Njal Stormcaller 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Space Wolves Iron Priest 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Space Wolves Rune Priest in Terminator Armour 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Space Wolves Rune Priest 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Wolf Guard 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Wolf Guard with Wolf Claws 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Lukas the Trickster 1 Fig Blister Pack 3-Mar-12 $26.00 Repackaged Resin Bjorn the Fell-Handed 1 Fig Box 3-Mar-12 $65.00 Repackaged Resin Starting to seem more realistic actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Btw, I have nothing against the old RP TDA model - but I am not going to buy it, since I already have the metal one. So, if I swap the bases on my Gobla-wolfs for the round 40 mm ones, will the GW rules allow me to field them? Technically they are GW product. And I did not know that Harald is Leif in German version of grimdark :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 So, if I swap the bases on my Gobla-wolfs for the round 40 mm ones, will the GW rules allow me to field them? Technically they are GW product. Far as tourney rules are concerned, GW product = GW product. You just have to declare them as counts-as. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Btw, I have nothing against the old RP TDA model - but I am not going to buy it, since I already have the metal one. So, if I swap the bases on my Gobla-wolfs for the round 40 mm ones, will the GW rules allow me to field them? Technically they are GW product. And I did not know that Harald is Leif in German version of grimdark ;) Yeah, Leif ≠ Harald. And Dreadnought ≠ Cybot. I had wondered if the Dreadnought had been renamed out of respect for The Battle of Jutland, but then the British didn't really win that battle anyway. And now with Harald being renamed Leif, maybe it is just that some interpreters are being funny or 'owning the hobby' and making it their own? Idk.... :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 For those within the EU, they are now available for pre-order on Maelstrom. TWC goes for £29.70 (ouch) (£ 33 official GW price), Fen.wolves are £13.95 (£15.50 per GW) and TDA RP is £10.35 (£11.50 per GW). No signs for Arjac, TWL and banner-bearer yet. Guess I will have to wait for some of those discount vouchers the Maelstrom is famous for. £ 10 per thunderwolf is kinda steep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Btw, I have nothing against the old RP TDA model - but I am not going to buy it, since I already have the metal one. So, if I swap the bases on my Gobla-wolfs for the round 40 mm ones, will the GW rules allow me to field them? Technically they are GW product. And I did not know that Harald is Leif in German version of grimdark ;) Yeah, Leif ≠ Harald. And Dreadnought ≠ Cybot. I had wondered if the Dreadnought had been renamed out of respect for The Battle of Jutland, but then the British didn't really win that battle anyway. And now with Harald being renamed Leif, maybe it is just that some interpreters are being funny or 'owning the hobby' and making it their own? Idk.... :tu: Funny, but Harald is supposed to be a name of Germanic origins (recalling Harald Bluetooth for example). So there is actually no need to make it sound more err.. viking-ish? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Which is the Wolf and which is the Coyote? Bottom line, I don't care if it's wolf, coyote, or fox... it is now lupine in form and feral as hell. That is all that should matter. Furthermore, who wants a fat warbeast? The leaner the beast, the hungrier they are. It was historically common practice to starve wardogs so they would be more driven to ferocity in battle. I think the leanness of these models capture that. Only one of those pictures works- and the red wolf is genetically part coyote. However, the Ethiopian Wolf is even less chunky than the red wolf- and it's not a coyote relation but a wolf relation- albeit a distant one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_simensis There's considerable variety in wolves- they don't all fit the chunky northern wolf mould. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Wolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_wolf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Which is the Wolf and which is the Coyote? Bottom line, I don't care if it's wolf, coyote, or fox... it is now lupine in form and feral as hell. That is all that should matter. Furthermore, who wants a fat warbeast? The leaner the beast, the hungrier they are. It was historically common practice to starve wardogs so they would be more driven to ferocity in battle. I think the leanness of these models capture that. Only one of those pictures works- and the red wolf is genetically part coyote. However, the Ethiopian Wolf is even less chunky than the red wolf- and it's not a coyote relation but a wolf relation- albeit a distant one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_simensis There's considerable variety in wolves- they don't all fit the chunky northern wolf mould. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Wolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_wolf Any comments regarding comparison of airspeed velocity of unladen Ethiopian wolf and the red one? When you are Space Wolf You got to know these things... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Which is the Wolf and which is the Coyote? Bottom line, I don't care if it's wolf, coyote, or fox... it is now lupine in form and feral as hell. That is all that should matter. Furthermore, who wants a fat warbeast? The leaner the beast, the hungrier they are. It was historically common practice to starve wardogs so they would be more driven to ferocity in battle. I think the leanness of these models capture that. Only one of those pictures works- and the red wolf is genetically part coyote. However, the Ethiopian Wolf is even less chunky than the red wolf- and it's not a coyote relation but a wolf relation- albeit a distant one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_simensis There's considerable variety in wolves- they don't all fit the chunky northern wolf mould. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Wolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_wolf Fenrisian Wolves are Fenrisian Wolves. I don't care what colour they are. Sure, a little more fluffy would have been nice but there could be many mutations of colour that exist between the "species". So what if GW represents them one way and you don't agree, paint them the way you want. Really, why are we even having this discussion? :) The bottom line anatomy-wise is that this is what GW thinks Fenrisian Wolves and Thunder Wolves look like. So that is what they look like. Oh and I think Space Wolves would hardly mistreat an animal so centered around the chapter just to get an edge. Starvation? Just because something is lean does not automatically mean they are weak or underfed. Make models look too bulky and they loose any perceived speed they might have. They won't look fast. So of course it suits Fenrisian Wolves to be lean, because they occupy a Fast Attack choice and have the fleet special rule. So they must look fast, yet powerful, which is why they are lean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1240709_99060101148_SWrunepriesttermarmourmain_445x319.jpg I'm I one of the only people who liked the model? it's not a bad sculpt, in fact those small runes look ace. however it's a shame that instead of investing in a renewed sculpt GW decides not to make that investment. I don't know how much it costs to remake a model in finecast but i can guess it wouldn't be more then to have a new model made in finecast (besides hiring the sculptor offcourse) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Glad I bought my TWolves from Mythicast. Five for the price of the GW three-pack and heftier looking than GW ThunderCoyotes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Any comments regarding comparison of airspeed velocity of unladen Ethiopian wolf and the red one? When you are Space Wolf You got to know these things... :) I don't know, but are there coconuts in Ethiopia? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Danvers Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Yeah I was glad as well......until I couldnt ever field them in a game after the independant gaming club closed. Apparently even when GW don't bother to make the models, you can't use non-GW items..... :) Sadly my Mythicast wolves will now either remain on my shelf collecting dust, or I might sell them on to recoup a bit of the cash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1240709_99060101148_SWrunepriesttermarmourmain_445x319.jpg I'm I one of the only people who liked the model? it's not a bad sculpt, in fact those small runes look ace. however it's a shame that instead of investing in a renewed sculpt GW decides not to make that investment. I don't know how much it costs to remake a model in finecast but i can guess it wouldn't be more then to have a new model made in finecast (besides hiring the sculptor offcourse) Level of Runic armour detail aside, the model itself is of 2E era, making the TDA armour nearly half a head shorter than the standard TDA models today, as well as fitting on a 25mm base instead of the now standard 40mm. Not to mention that the sculpt itself is more hunchback than its progeny with stiffer, pinned to waist elbows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Any comments regarding comparison of airspeed velocity of unladen Ethiopian wolf and the red one? When you are Space Wolf You got to know these things... :) I don't know, but are there coconuts in Ethiopia? Nadir: Auuuuuuuugh. ;) Recognised that quote, didn't You? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Yeah I was glad as well......until I couldnt ever field them in a game after the independant gaming club closed. Apparently even when GW don't bother to make the models, you can't use non-GW items..... :) Sadly my Mythicast wolves will now either remain on my shelf collecting dust, or I might sell them on to recoup a bit of the cash. Sounds like you need to educate them on Retail 101 - "the customer is always right". ;) Do you live in a small town with few choices of gaming venues? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Danvers Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Yeah I was glad as well......until I couldnt ever field them in a game after the independant gaming club closed. Apparently even when GW don't bother to make the models, you can't use non-GW items..... :D Sadly my Mythicast wolves will now either remain on my shelf collecting dust, or I might sell them on to recoup a bit of the cash. Sounds like you need to educate them on Retail 101 - "the customer is always right". :) Do you live in a small town with few choices of gaming venues? I'm in between places at the moment, as Im in my final year of uni. Back home there's two stores nearby, but I only really go to one, as it's in the town where my gf lives and I'll probably be living when I graduate anyway and it is relatively small. Plus, I know a lot of the guys there from when I used to work in a lab nearby a few years back. Plus the manager's a really nice guy, not one of the usual crowd that tries to make you spend all your money within five minutes which is great in my opinion :D. Alas for GW policies coming down from HQ. I can appreciate that they don't want to lose money because someone walked in with an alternative model, but when they weren't making them in the first place it made me a little irritated. We used to have a gaming club about a year or two ago, but when the venue changed hands I think they had trouble finding a new place. The only other one I know about is a WM/Malifaux club, but I don't think there's any 40k players there. Lucikly, as the Mythicast ones are a reasonable price, it's not like I'm losing out on the equivalent of buying 5 Canis models, so it's not too bad really. Just try to recoup some money somewhere to offset it and it's all good. Might whack them up on ebay when I'm next back home. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I love the runes on it, but it's just too stiff. Looks like the old metal terms. He needs some fur and an open helmet. Too stiff and too small. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Looks like the old metal terms. Because it is... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Yeah I was glad as well......until I couldnt ever field them in a game after the independant gaming club closed. Apparently even when GW don't bother to make the models, you can't use non-GW items..... :D Sadly my Mythicast wolves will now either remain on my shelf collecting dust, or I might sell them on to recoup a bit of the cash. Sounds like you need to educate them on Retail 101 - "the customer is always right". :D Do you live in a small town with few choices of gaming venues? Funny. I find that 80% of the time the customer is either wrong at trying a fast one :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I can't believe they repackaged that old crappy rune priest in TDA. Ugliest term ever. http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1240709_99060101148_SWrunepriesttermarmourmain_445x319.jpg I'm I one of the only people who liked the model? It was based on one of the original metal box set terminators. Just a few bits added on so not even a SW specific sculpts originally. That's where you are wrong sorry mate. It was released just after the original metal Wolf Guard in TDA which were re-sculpted but based on the original metal generic TDA. If you look at the original WG they are a lot more detailed then their predecessors. Besides, I know this to be the case because I asked Jes about it many moons ago at a games day. :D The only good thing about stuff being recast in resin is that it will be easier for me to chop up for the bits I want/convert. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247568-march-sw-releases/page/7/#findComment-2999299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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