Brother Terrus Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Alright, so I've popped this first bit up in the DA forum, and will be doing a second bit soon. Some background knowledge to explain some of the iffy bits; This first idea blatantly breaks one of the don'ts in the DIY guide. This is because rather than be a fluff-perfect idea for a chapter, I'm experimenting with a reasonable explanation for multi-codex play to fit with my gaming group's aims (Long story short, my group wants lots of different armies and we're short on marine players, because everyone is afraid of being cliche, X.X). The second idea will be intended to be much more canonically sound, and you can rip into that one for imperfection as much as you like, please do, it should help my fluff understanding some. When it comes to this idea, you can go ahead and tell me that the splicing is unlikely and improbable, but I do know that, and while other explanations are possible, only one so far has struck me as nearly as interesting. Besides, a little chaotic sorcery could go a long way, I figure, and it sets the group up better to get shot down. The first idea sets the chapter as the unknowing pet project of some fool with too much power and too little purity. Basically, during one founding, several chapters mysteriously come up short on gene seed save the Unforgiven, who do at least note that an entire chapter is rather late in their creation. In the background you've got a network of guys working for one almost Fabius Bile-esque figure splicing together gene seed to make an 'ultimate' chapter. In any case, you end up with a chapter with the skill and determination of the Unforgiven, the close range prowess of the Blood Angels, the ferocity of the Space Wolves, and all those other nice traits every chapter holds dear. At first it's overlooked, some call it good fortune, others suspect that something went wrong during the founding, but given the scope of the plot, anyone in a position to cry foul disappears, or suffers a terrible accident. The new chapter is allowed only minimal contact with their primogenitors, because there's no one better to notice what's off with the bunch than the people they're supposed to be. This all goes pretty well for a while, and the group performs admirably, both furthering the aims of the Inner Circle and the mastermind behind their creation, but eventually everything in the Imperium must go south, no? At first it's small, easily silenced without even the other marines noticing, but despite the mastermind's best efforts something decidedly not possible for the Dark Angels crops up; their very own variety of the Black Rage. Some see Sanguinius and Horus, others Luther and the Lion, a few Roboute and Fulgrim, many faces they don't even rightly have names for. The odd few even see fractured combats that aren't even true memories. Fights between Dorn and Sanguinius, or Luther and Fulgrim, mass combats where all of these titanic figures clash and leave the marine much as a Blood Angel, angry and ferocious, crying at the loss of their primarch, or at the loss of identity and crumbling of their tradition. Finally, during an engagement with a group of renegade marines harboring a Fallen Angel, the curtain can't be held back, where before a marine would mysteriously answer a call to the Deathwatch or otherwise be spirited away never to return, now whole squads gave into their fury, and there was no hiding it from those eyes not meant to see. Within days the chapter was traced back to their mastermind, with a trail of dead heretics lining the purge, and the other Unforgiven swiftly mobilized to cut out the taint. None was quite fast enough, though, and a majority of the chapter as well as the remainder of the conspiracy that created them escapes with the help of the very Fallen Angel they'd been hunting, and the warbands of Chaos Marines that followed him. At first they would sit in limbo, trying to decide a course of action, some blamed their creator, others vainly suggested the Imperium simply wasn't ready for such perfection as they displayed. Regardless, they had no place in the realm of the Golden Throne any longer, and the ultimate question was posed by the champions present among the older renegades. Submit to Chaos or be dogged from both sides? In the end, the leaders of the chapter broke secrecy, and told of the Fallen, a much more believable tale with one there at the time, and this proved the last that was needed to sway the Battle Brothers, at least they could tread the tradition of the legion they considered their origin. Albeit under an iron star with eight points. What do you all think of this? Is it reasonable? Is it interesting? Eager to hear your opinions, and working on the more DA-specific fluff right now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 a reasonable multi-codex is different companies. 1) SM: standard Battle-Company/Bikes 2) DA: First Company/Bikes/Battle-Company 3) BA: 8th Company (Assault Company) 4) BT: Crusading Company/Chapter on Crusade, they are forced to adopt different practices and you chose not to field Libbies today. 5) SW: dont use TW or anything too wolfy or unique (Lone Wolf) they are just a standard Chapter after that equipped to get up close and personal for the kill. No need for silly splicing the seed together. More reasonable, no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-2999118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 splicing is possible. It is rumored that the Mechanicus tried this during the 13th founding to correct some of the flaws inherent in the gene-seed. Mostly it nothing happened one way or the other, then all the records mysteriously got erased. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-2999748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 And all the 13th founding are not around anymore. Which means that the experiment failed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-2999836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 And all the 13th founding are not around anymore. Which means that the experiment failed. Citation needed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-2999839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 No-one knows how many chapters were created by the Dark Founding or what became of them. Perhaps the secret lies buried in some deep vault in the record office of the Adeptus Terra. Maybe the Space Marines of the Dark Founding are still out there, somewhere, waiting to return to the world that created them. Codex Space Marine, 5th edition Ok, so, no, it doesn't explicitly say the experiment failed. Nor does it say that they were an experiment for that matter, Just says they have no records and are not around anymore. So, citation needed for AdMech rumors then too :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-2999879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 No-one knows how many chapters were created by the Dark Founding or what became of them. Perhaps the secret lies buried in some deep vault in the record office of the Adeptus Terra. Maybe the Space Marines of the Dark Founding are still out there, somewhere, waiting to return to the world that created them. Codex Space Marine, 5th edition Ok, so, no, it doesn't explicitly say the experiment failed. Nor does it say that they were an experiment for that matter, Just says they have no records and are not around anymore. So, citation needed for AdMech rumors then too :rolleyes: Relictors are Ultramarines/Dark Angel hybrids. So the Mecanicus are at least capable of such deviancy. Not really proof of them doing this during the 13th founding but they must have done something to have their records so well burned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-2999895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Don't forget also, the "Cursed" 21st Founding. Seems that the Mechanicus just can't help themselves, and learn from their mistakes..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-2999921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 No-one knows how many chapters were created by the Dark Founding or what became of them. Perhaps the secret lies buried in some deep vault in the record office of the Adeptus Terra. Maybe the Space Marines of the Dark Founding are still out there, somewhere, waiting to return to the world that created them. Codex Space Marine, 5th edition Ok, so, no, it doesn't explicitly say the experiment failed. Nor does it say that they were an experiment for that matter, Just says they have no records and are not around anymore. So, citation needed for AdMech rumors then too ^_^ Relictors are Ultramarines/Dark Angel hybrids. So the Mecanicus are at least capable of such deviancy. Not really proof of them doing this during the 13th founding but they must have done something to have their records so well burned. Yea, which is the really weird thing about the Relictors... And, did they splice the seed or did they just use both in the recruits? also, as for 21st Founding, no proof again that they spliced the seed, all we know is that all 21st Founding Chapters are cursed. As for the OP, im not so much against splicing as long as its done really well. I just think there is a better and more reasonable way to explain why today I use BA and tomorrow I use a SW codex than splicing/mixing etc. As I have pointed out earlier Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-3000133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I have seen this project in DA's forum and I let it go... but since the rabbit marched right into wolf's lair. Who am I to refuse this audacious meal? :P You know, the lore justification for table top choices almost always results in article of atrocious quality. *pauses to look at the article* Anyway, we had similar discussion HERE. By the way... *Though the particulars of a new Founding are shrouded in secrecy and arcane ritual, it is known that all of a new chapter's genetic make-up is not always drawn from the seed of one donor chapter. Instead, a new chapter may represent a genetic cocktail of the geneseed of others, and although purity testing is rigorous in the extreme, it is perfectly possible that these disparate elements may react with one another at a later date, in ways quite unforeseeable by their creators, and so the seed of a disastrous mutation or character flaw is sown.* ~Index Astartes, Rogue Sons ~NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247610-a-skeleton-of-an-idea/#findComment-3000406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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