The Rose Princes Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Q. Does Canis Wolfborn allow a unit of Fenrisian Wolves within 12” to re-roll failed Morale tests, just like a normal Thunderwolf Cavalry model? (p54) A. Yes indeed. If anything, he’s even more inspiring a presence than your average Thunderwolf rider! logic would then dictate that any character on a Thunderwolf mount would also allow Fenrisian Wolves with 12" to re-roll failed Morale test, just like a normal Thunderwolf Cavalry model, yes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 No, logic would dictate that TWC allow Fenrisian Wolves within 12" to re-roll failed morale tests. A character on a Thunderwolf isn't a "Thunderwolf Cavalry model". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 No, logic would dictate that TWC allow Fenrisian Wolves within 12" to re-roll failed morale tests. A character on a Thunderwolf isn't a "Thunderwolf Cavalry model". So by your logic an HQ who equips a jump pack, cannot deep strike? The war gear section for Thunderwolves mounts says that " A character with a thunderwolf mount has the unit type of cavalry " making him a Independent character on Thunderwolf Cavalry mount. So then why would a normal TWC member bolster fenrisian wolves packs when a Lord on the same mount wouldn't? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 You people have a funny way of using the word logic. A jump-pack makes the character Jump Infantry as is clearly specified in the rules. A character on a Thunderwolf is not Thunderwolf Cavalry, he's cavalry on a Thunderwolf. Swing and a miss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardiel Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 But Canis isn't a TWC model either, and he does allow the reroll. I see where the logic comes in, and will admit it makes sense, but good luck convincing a tourney judge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphariusomegon20 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 You people have a funny way of using the word logic. A jump-pack makes the character Jump Infantry as is clearly specified in the rules. A character on a Thunderwolf is not Thunderwolf Cavalry, he's cavalry on a Thunderwolf. Swing and a miss. That has got to be the most convoluted line of logic I've ever heard. You've got a funny way of using "logic". If the TWC can do it, and Canis can do it, By logic, ANYONE on a Twolf can do it. By logic, it's the Twolf itself that triggers the ability, not what's on it's back, as that is the common denominator between the two examples given. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 So? Until the FAQ Canis wouldn't allow the re-rolls either. Until a FAQ says ICs on TW do, they don't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 That has got to be the most convoluted line of logic I've ever heard. You've got a funny way of using "logic". If the TWC can do it, and Canis can do it, By logic, ANYONE on a Twolf can do it. By logic, it's the Twolf itself that triggers the ability, not what's on it's back, as that is the common denominator between the two examples given. Quote me the text that says an IC on TW is a "Thunderwolf Cavalry model". Once you can do that, I'll agree that they give a re-roll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 while you can argue it any way you would like, i would simply go by what the rules actually says (or doesnt) say. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardiel Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 As much as it sucks, Res is right here. With the faq, it's a strong argument that any character with the tw mount offers the ability. However rules as written don't say that. Feel free to try it in games, but don't bank on being allowed. This is another example of oversight by gw, where the wargear option should state the rule, rather than the unit using it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 FWIW, if you were stomping all over my Tyranids (I refuse to play Loyalist v Loyalist) with your Space Wolves I'd let any TW model in range allow the re-roll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphariusomegon20 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 So? Until the FAQ Canis wouldn't allow the re-rolls either. Until a FAQ says ICs on TW do, they don't. You're aware that Canis IS an IC himself, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 So? Until the FAQ Canis wouldn't allow the re-rolls either. Until a FAQ says ICs on TW do, they don't. You're aware that Canis IS an IC himself, right? I guess I missed the bit where it says "Canis and other Independent Characters on Thunderwolves...". No, wait, no I didn't. If anyone can show me text that says that an IC on a TW is a "Thunderwolf Cavalry model" I'll change my mind. However, you can't because they aren't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Logic would dictate that the intent of the designers was to allow this, yes. Logic would also dictate that using RAW in 40K is silly, since doing that in 4th edition used to make excitingly large tracts of the rules stop working the way people played them. Logic will probably not save you, here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 Logic will probably not save you, here. wow, guess not. very well then, Saga of Majesty it is then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 In addition a wolf lord on a thunderwolf mount cannot join any other xxxx on a thunderwolf mount. Unl as as they can only join TWC or Fenrisian wolves. Unless they FAQ'd it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Logic will probably not save you, here. wow, guess not. very well then, Saga of Majesty it is then? OR you could not waste your saga and just take some TWC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3003961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonarmy Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I thought of this not that long ago and spoke to not only my local store but a few others around me. They all agreed with me and as as result a wolf lord on a thunder wolf allows re-rolls in the stores i play in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3004110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Danvers Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 This all just sounds the usual witterings of people getting too particular about rules grammar. I really dumbfounds me how people argue over the pedantic little details. It's pretty clear from the question what is being asked (can anyone on a TW get the reroll - he just specified Canis) and they said yes. I'd bet if you went to any store and asked a staff member or played a game, any model on a TW could use the reroll. Ok yes the FAQ didn't 'specifically' ask other than Canis, but the wording of the question/answer gives away its intent - does Canis get the reroll like a 'normal' TWC model and they're answer even states he's more impressive than an 'average rider'. Their answer alone implies that they regard all TW riders as the same, regardless of unit type and the ICs are just 'better' versions of the normal troops. Pretty obvious to me. Anyone who tries to stop you in a game is just being difficult for the sake of being difficult. And don't get me started on using the word logic here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3004131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Please refrain from the snarky comments. Debate clinically and politely or not at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3005566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 There isnt a very good RAW case to support characters on thunderwolves granting these bonuses to fenrisian wolf packs... but the Canis Wolfborn FAQ does show a strong implication. Its worth bringing up to your friends, after all what does it matter what we say here in the long run? How often is the argument won because you can say 'someone on the internet said this'? Its a perfectly reasonable house rule either way, so talk it over and see what happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3005774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Be a grown up, roll a dice, its only a game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3005787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Danvers Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Please refrain from the snarky comments. Debate clinically and politely or not at all. After re-reading my post, it does come over as quite snarky. I apologise if I caused anyone offence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248027-an-faq-logical-assumption/#findComment-3005933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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