sponsra Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I'm one third through it, the sh**t has hit the fan and the UM are trying to figure out what has happened. English is not my first language so I just wanted to make sure I got it right. Here goes: Som chaosy stuff took over an UM ship (the Campanile -somthing like that?) and sent it like a projectile right through the UM fleet at ancor and through the orbital plate, wich made all kinds of debris and stuff rain down and crush alot of the shipyards and Numinus city. Somehow it also took out the communication network (all vox and the noosphere) -I don´t remember how that happened? It would be nice to see this from a WB prespective (mabey later in the book), I mean, how much of the damage could they have forseen? Taking out the communictaion is obviously crucial for the WB attack to work, but the damage seem pretty random? What if the Campaniel just would have gone through without hitting anything and just made a crater on Calth and thats it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaesteus Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Howdy, That's not far from how I saw it, however; The ship was taken over by the word bearers, it wasn't just thrown towards Calth though; it was flown (so still piloted) in on the correct speed and angle to not arouse suspicion. Then, right at the end it sped up on a direct course with the things they wanted destroyed Also, The word bearers infiltrated a dark mechanics warp virus into the noosphere, which is what brought down the defences So, it wasn't just a hopeful throw of a ship at the planet and hope for the best, it was all orchestrated and co-ordinated. Hope that helps. As an aside, does anyone know where the furious abyss fits into this? From what I remember; they were going to use it to throw the moon at Calth, and the Ultras saw the shop blow up. Am I wrong or had it been omitted from 'know no fear'? Cheers! Hephaestus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3004956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 The word bearers infiltrated a dark mechanics warp virus into the noosphere, which is what brought down the defences Oh, yeah, forgot about that.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3004989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 There is this basic thing to make a sci-fi (or fantasy or any thing supernatural) setting work, that you need to establish rules. The world doesnt have to follow the rules of nature, but it has to follow its own internal rules or the reader will lose interest in the story. Sometimes, in the HH-books (wich is the only bl-stuff I read), it feels like whatever need to happen to tell the story will happen. If the story "needed" the Word Bearers to fail in their attack, the Noosphere could have a super firewall (Norton Guilleman edition installed by the Primarch himself), and the Chaos-scrap-code would be stopped. I feel, at many times, that the rules of the game isn´t established enough in the books... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3004992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 There is this basic thing to make a sci-fi (or fantasy or any thing supernatural) setting work, that you need to establish rules. The world doesnt have to follow the rules of nature, but it has to follow its own internal rules or the reader will lose interest in the story. Sometimes, in the HH-books (wich is the only bl-stuff I read), it feels like whatever need to happen to tell the story will happen. If the story "needed" the Word Bearers to fail in their attack, the Noosphere could have a super firewall (Norton Guilleman edition installed by the Primarch himself), and the Chaos-scrap-code would be stopped. I feel, at many times, that the rules of the game isn´t established enough in the books... Well the scrapcode is daemonic in nature. Any counter measures the mechanicum have in place would have been sufficient simply because they would not have been able to foresee such an element Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3005085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 Oh, and just for the record, I´m not complaining about Know no fear in particular, it´s more of a general thing. I love it so far and I´m a big fan of Abnett... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3005102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 As an aside, does anyone know where the furious abyss fits into this? From what I remember; they were going to use it to throw the moon at Calth, and the Ultras saw the shop blow up. Am I wrong or had it been omitted from 'know no fear'? Cheers! Hephaestus Totally and utterly omitted from what I recall... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3005103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightCommander_Almaric Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 i really liked Know no Fear, however it just seemed to stop. and i kinda went "oh... thats it".. the final sections seemed so rushed to squeeze in the final few actions from the admech and guilliman and the others. but i do now have a greater appreciation for the Guilliman and his legion. Abnett has undone a lot of the bad rep that the UM's had be tarred with. and the bit about the red helemts was a nice touch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3005119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cielaq Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I really liked the book. It kinda stops in the middle of the story, but it's maybe becuase the goal was just to show just the beggining of the battle of Calth, not the whole war. What I have found odd is that it seems that the whole counter-offensive that finally stopped the assault and allowed to take back the defence grid was actually coordinated not by primarch but by that Mechanicus girl (I forgot her name). It was really cool, true, but still it's strange that the battle was won by "hacking" a computer, and primarch was limited to blowing some stuf on a space station instead of organizing a battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3005683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 That's what I liked about it, the attack was defeated not by virtue of Primarch but because the Ultramarines worked for it. It also served to demonstrate Guilliman did have a human character rather than being a bland and boring robot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3006105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 Ok, I´m almost at the end now. So, Hesst coded a superscript that can kill the deamonic scrapcode eh? Why wasn´t it established or hinted early that he, in his final moment was working on something or trying to finish something? Feels kind of ad hoc now. Suddenly it just turns up: Our protaginists have this massive problem that are central for the story -the scrapcode, well the end is closing in, it needs to be solved, well, ok, lets say that som guy wrote some code earlier in the book that fixed it.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3008657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Munkrunky Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 i received this book last week and thought great stuff! 2012 is shaping up to be a glut of a heresy publication year compared to the famine of 2011. having already read and thoroughly enjoyed the tangental but progressive Deliverance lost here comes Dan Abnett, he hits it outta the park every time! ...... I am 30 pages in and have no idea as to who anyone is, what is going on, where it fits in to the general story and so on. it is anything but a page turner at the moment. Its written in present tense for some reason (to inject urgency into proceedings?) and the cast list seems to be in the thousands. My question is does it take a while to "get" this book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3008857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 At the beginning it spends a lot of time setting up the situation and the world and the general mood. Once the action get going there are maybe 3 "main" stories running through it. My advice would be to stop worrying about remembering everyone and just enjoy the world that is being 'painted' before you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3008879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
freaky fryer Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Reading this book is a little bit like watching the war film The Longest Day.A huge cast of characters,in several areas with several little story lines within the major story.For this reason i might not enjoy this book as much as the others,i would have enjoyed it more had it been written like a normal story,but i am only on page 75 and when the action starts it might change my outlook sofar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3008899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 Many of the characters in the Dramatis Personae list has very small roles in the actual story -and some doexn´t even appear at all (I think). Just ignore the list and read! Also, after reading the first 50 pages I went back and re-read the first few sentences in each "note" to try an remember who everyone is and what they´re up to. It helped... Etid: Ventanus, Thiel, and that Mechanicum-girl has the main parts. Remember them and you´ll be fine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3008908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Over all i thought it was a let down. Most of the book i only enjoyed Guilliman and what was happening on the ship, the ground fighting i found to be told in hickups and burps. It's like he wrote it all in small parts for short stories and then just threw it together to turn it inot one longer story. Ironically none of the ultra's on the ground really stand out in my eyes it was all about the mechanicus characters that kept me reading. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3008953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Baal Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I have just finished reading it and I really liked it. Give it time, it's definitely worth reading and you will soon get into it I'm sure. It has some great little titbits of info regarding a few of the main players in the WB and others from previous books . Much better than the last two HH novels IMO, I hope you get as much out of it as I did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3009079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Merged a couple of Know No Fear threads into one thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3009084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Munkrunky Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Apparently so Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3009182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I loved it but it did take a little while to get going, and the plethora of characters did contribute to that. Definitely worth hanging in there. On the broad Horus Heresy point someone made earlier about endings seeming predetermined, and events being made to fit those endings - this is the peril of all 'prequels', the majority of your audience are going to know the end point. Thought KNF did a fine job within this limitation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3009350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezzy Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 That is my only gripe with this novel. We know Dan loves his Imperial Guard standing around smoking fags, drinking coffee and complaining about stuff scenes but in this one they felt really tacked on. Roboute and the censured sergeant story lines on Macragge's Honour, the Captain on the planet's surface, the AdMech story thread, the Dreadnought and the Eternal. All these stories worked but some felt like they didn't get enough time because too many pages were wasted going around in circles with the knife brothers and the other loyalist humans. It felt like they kept repeating their same scenes until toward the end of the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3009388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 A great read. I thought the whole timing factor and the way it was written on how World Bearers used the ship/code to instantly cripple the planets defenses was brilliant - very unique. The image Abnett weaved of the devastation was fantastic in my opinion. It did seem to get a little rushed at the end there, but I suppose certain things are setting up later books or events, for instance the battle between the two battle barges or the underground war (perhaps it could be a space marine battle book?). And some of the characters may have been unnecessary but they did give a sense of scope of the widespread destruction, and of course what other Legion would have a list of characters that long, but the largest of the Imperium. Also, for anyone that did not do the math, 219,479 hours amounts to 25 years. Which follows fluff that the Ultramarines used an orbital bombardment to destroy the lawless and mostly hopeless world of Colchis some time after the Heresey, but it is made all the sweeter that they were the ones tasked with doing so to avenge Calth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3009817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I absolutely loved it, couldn't put it down, and one of the better HH books IMO, perhaps able to challenge the "Big 5" at the beginning of the series. I really liked the opening sections, seemed quite cinematic to me, having a look at all these different people, knowing some were doomed and some weren't. Also quite tragic in looking at what they have planned, their hopes and aspirations, before they it all comes down in flame. I do have a confused thought though. I thought the Ultramarines in traditional fluff were able to hold the Imperium together because they had taken little to no losses. However, here it is determined that they lost over 100,000 Legionnaires in the opening exchanges alone, and probably a lot more. Erebus notes that their Legion has been severely crippled and they won't be able to perform an active part in the HH. So what does Guilleman do, re-build his Legion like Corax until its over? It seems he needs that super Legionnaire formula as much as his brother does now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3012354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 There's plenty more of the Heresy to go yet. :) Besides, consider the old numbers of Legions had less than 30,000 Marines in the Ultramarines who took little part in the conflict and held the Imperium together. Now there are over 100,000 Ultramarines left and they have taken part in the Heresy. Still works out to me. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3012376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 You can ignore the first half of the book and it doesn't change anything about the story.. That makes poor writing in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248099-know-no-fear-question-spoilers/#findComment-3012427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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