Billuriye Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Angron's height was same as Horus in Galaxy in Flames, a little bulkier though. I'd say he's normal in Primarch standards. Size hardly matter though except if you are Alpharius apparently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3010000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 This thread even fooled me into thinking this was what Butcher's Nails was about. I curse all concerned for their parts in this deception on my sleep-starved brain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3010055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 on my sleep-starved brain. You ain't seen nothing yet! How many weeks to go? :) Oh, wait a minute... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3010062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mage 257 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Angron's height was same as Horus in Galaxy in Flames, a little bulkier though. I'd say he's normal in Primarch standards. Size hardly matter though except if you are Alpharius apparently. Your correct, but it always struck me as weird though that I can't imagine him being roughly the same size as the rest, I'd always invisioned him being much bigger and more dominating than his brothers. Although this is probably just down to my love of Angron I think like that. He just always struck me being the big bully kind of brother, the one who'd wedgie Magnus for reading too many books or smash up Dorn's lego fort. I think in general though there is very little in terms of size difference when it comes to the primarchs, the odd bit of extra bulk here or there or an inch or two taller/shorter. (with the exception of Alpharius/Omegon ) I think their size is more determined by their aura's/personalities, if you get what I mean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3011590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Galaxy in Flames has Horus in Terminator Armour, right? That means Angron would be at least a head higher than Horus, unarmoured - assuming Angron was using regular/artificer armour. Anyway, in my view, Angron having a normal completion instead of being a flesh bulldozer makes him all the more menacing. I mean, he must've been one of the strongest Primarchs, and that is scarier if, on the outside, nothing made him noticeably different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3011687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Galaxy in Flames descibes Angron as "easily as tall as the Warmaster, but massively broad,with wide hulking shoulders.." A later scene describes Horus in terminator armor but it isn't mentioned at the strategy meeting when Angron is descibed. When the same strategy meeting is described in Flight of the Eisenstein Horus is in artificer armor not the black terminator armor with the talon. From the novels I have come to guess that Horus is about 9 feet tall. Thats my guess based on the novels. I picture Horus having an "athletic" build. The way Angron is described I picture him about 8'8" with the build of an olympic power lifter. Just a thick square slab of muscle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3011725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Don't know why, but I can never picture a Primarch - well, maybe Alpha/Omega - to be under 3 meters/10 feet tall. Lower than that just...cuts away at the majesty and awe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3011768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I've always seen Horus as a fairly meaty Primarch, after all he was often described as the 1st warrior amongst them (though granted this will probably have changed with the "real" account of the Heresy series. Regardless, he isn't small, and Angron is always described as a massively muscled to the point of absurdity. A young Angron could still be very large. Very. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3012316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I feel Primarchs are toned down during the HH series. This isn't bad, of course, if they were completely invulnerable, then it wouldn't be fun, these are necessary moments for the narrative. Yet while the "if it bleeds, it can be killed" moto is fine, it shouldn't make readers forget how utterly superior a Primarch is. Vulkan flips tanks. Horus takes a Marine-breaking shockwave to the face and barely notices it. Angron survives and comes out from beneath tons and tons of rock ready for another go. Curze is impaled through the spine - along with many other cuts and wounds - and survives. While an infant - and hurt, since Angron crash-landed across the mountains - Primarch defeating adult Eldar warriors may seem like bad storytelling from a distance, it's very much plausible. The Horus Heresy novels could use a few more bits of Primarch-sue here and there, I think. It makes their bad moments all the more significant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3012340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Sangha Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 so is Butchers nails about when Angron was a baby? i swear I thought it was about a secret mission they were sent on by Horus. which gets me thinking what do people think that secret mission is? I think think that this is not a real secret mission, but instead a ploy to finally set Angron up to be the blood gods champion. he has turned on the emperor but he hasnt turned to chaos yet... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3013441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 No, you're right, "Butcher's" is about said mission, we're just connecting the info for the book and the fact that Angron was found as a child surrounded by Eldar bodies. Now we now the reason for that earlier attempt. And that makes your assumption plausible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3013479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Terra Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 In one of the HH books (sorry, can't remember off-hand which one. Help please, Loremasters.) One primarch is depicted in a vision escaping from his crashed incubation capsule screaming and bleeding heavily from a very serious head wound. I always took that to be Angron (or possibly Curze but I think another bit in the vision depicted Curze's pod). So, assuming the vision wasn't all duplicitous lies and assuming it was Angron (lots of assuming...) then the Eldar stumbled upon a wounded, in pain, very confused, and cornered baby Angron. That's the very definition of 'dangerous' and 'cornered animal'. Now, in Deliverance Lost baby Corax easily decapitates a very large man. Assuming (uh oh...) that since the primarchs seemed to have been "born" with a fraction of their power when they left their pods it's plausible that baby Angron was even stronger than baby Corax. And since a full grown Fulgrim can strangle an Avatar to death with his bare hands and baby Corax can rip heads from grown humans then it's certainly plausible that baby Angron could quite easily mess up an Eldar warband. Especially if, as someone above wisely points out, the Eldar went into the situation with their default viewpoint of sneering arrogance and of the opinion that one human child, no matter how "special", couldn't harm them, let alone kill them. Also, it raises the question of what effect the attack had on a young Angron. Later on the imprisonment, forced gladitorial combat, rebellion and so on obviously shaped Angron to a degree but what about the Eldar attack? Young Angron just out of his pod and struggling to understand who and what he is, what the hell has happened and why he's hurt and he's set upon by strangers trying to kill him. Not exactly an ideal recipe for healthy childhood development! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3013647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Angron had one hell (literally) of a raising up, it wasn't just the Emperor's 'forced adoption' that made him violent and bitter. That's some nice evidence you bring to the table, Wrath, on showing a baby Primarch's strength. On Butcher's Nails, I very much like the idea of Horus sending Angron on a mission to bring him closer to Khorne. I assume Horus talks to the Chaos Gods every now and then, it's very much possible that Khorne has asked him this. Also, the Visions books state that Angron was already a Daemon Prince by the time the Siege of Terra started, so the connection between the World Eaters and the Blood God has to happen, eventually. However, if I recall correctly, this mission will also provide the background for Betrayer, ADB's other World Eater novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3013662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 The BL image for the 'book' has me interested. Is it going to be an audio release along the lines of 'Ravens Flight' or is it a printed novel? A-D-B are you able to shed any light on this or still sworn to secrecy by the BL gods? :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3017857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcye Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 The BL image for the 'book' has me interested. Is it going to be an audio release along the lines of 'Ravens Flight' or is it a printed novel? A-D-B are you able to shed any light on this or still sworn to secrecy by the BL gods? ^_^ It's been well established as an audio-drama for months and months now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3018140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The BL image for the 'book' has me interested. Is it going to be an audio release along the lines of 'Ravens Flight' or is it a printed novel? A-D-B are you able to shed any light on this or still sworn to secrecy by the BL gods? ;) It's been well established as an audio-drama for months and months now. Thanks :) must have missed that along the way. BL confusing me by only listing it in the HH coming soon section and not in the Audio coming soon :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3018787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Ok, I know that it won't be available for a few months but you could get one on BL Live or something.... It was no small feat getting one so early.... It is AWESOME! With capital everyletter! Lorgar and Angron! And Khârn! And Lotara! By Chaos Gods, Lotara was.... the awesomest! I love female characters written by ADB. Aaron, you should write something for Sisters of Battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248115-butchers-nails/page/2/#findComment-3029012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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