daismith906 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Hello After reading Know No Fear i really want to start a pre heresy Ultramarines army. I know, i know these are GW's poster boys but back in the day they were a bit cool. Now i think either mk3 Iron or Mk 4 Maximus would be best (not really a fan of Mk2 armour) Ill be using hte maximini heads which are a spit of the ultramariens in the Horus Heresy card books. Cheers Dai Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Definitely Mk 3 or 4. Maybe have a one or two Mark 2 just for your leader types or use Mark 5 (I believe these suits would start seeing production at this stage of the Heresy). Jase Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3005777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I'd go Mk IV solely for looks - however, if you read Know no Fear the Ultramarines had developed their own pattern of power armour, Praetor I think it was called... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3005810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I'd go Mk IV solely for looks - however, if you read Know no Fear the Ultramarines had developed their own pattern of power armour, Praetor I think it was called... Aye, a patter rather close to the more modern Mk7 http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0333.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3005817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 There are pics of ultramarines using what is presumably the Praetor-pattern armor in HH: Collected Visions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3005835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tancred Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 If your trying to stick to the the fluff, it would be better if your basic marines have mostly mk2 and 4 with dedicated assault troops wearing mk3. Mk 3 was only developed when the crusade encounter the squats and found that there was a lack of cover and fighting in enclosed spaces, mk2 wasn't up to the job. So mk3 was developed with improved front armour, but bad rear armour and had a tendency to over heat so was only ever used if a frontal assault was the only option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3005859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 There are pics of ultramarines using what is presumably the Praetor-pattern armor in HH: Collected Visions. There is some insight on this and other armors from a couple of the new books. I believe Know No Fear notes that Praetor (Praetorian?) was relatively new at the time of the Battle of Clath and was for the moment only being produced for the Ultramarines and was not considered an official mk of power armor, yet. I would probably only use these for officers and such. In Deliverance Lost, which is in line with fluff, Mk 5 is said to be simply a stopgap type armor - in a nutshell any armor that was patched together (from a variety of mks and spare parts) in some way is considered Mk 5. And as such, this would be completely Heresy era, not Pre, when stopgap was the only option. Mk 6 was just starting to be distrubuted during the Heresy, so that can be ruled out completely. I'd agree with Tancred, though I was not aware of the squat reasoning (and it might have been retconned). Forgeworld says: The MkIII ‘Iron’ Armour is a variant of the previous ‘Crusade’ pattern adapted with additional armour plates to the front, as well as a reinforced helmet faceplate and strengthened vambraces for the savage firefights of fleet-based boarding actions. This extra armour turns an already resilient Marine into an almost unstoppable juggernaut within the cramped confines of a ship. Either explanation jives with the function. I don't think they would have jump packs though (in fact, forge world came out with a set that gives the jump packs to Mk 2). Lexicanum also notes that Mk 3 was not meant to replace Mk 2, it was simply circumstantial and was actually "too clumsy and uncomfortable for conventional fighting". So, I concur with the above, I think you are most safe with 2 and 4 for Pre-Heresy (3 sparingly). More specifically, if you are talking early Crusade, Mk 2 but if you are talking later Crusade, Mk 4 (and you can mix in Praetor conversions). Mk 4 was meant to completely replace Mk 3 suits, and lexicanum notes, sourcing an old White Dwarf, that some Legions were "entirely or partially re-equipped with it" by the time the Heresy hit. Better have a deep wallet for those FW models. :P Jump to "Heresy-era" and you can get away with 5 and maybe 6. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3005926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tancred Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I saw the bit about the squats on Lexicanum, but I've notice a note at the bottom of the mk3 section that says that the squats aren't considered canon any more :P and it is now been substituted that space battles are now the reason for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3005937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Boarding actions and trench warfare is where Mk3 lives :verymad: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3005973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Boarding actions and trench warfare is where Mk3 lives :lol: And tunnel fighting. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3006039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Here's a pic i scanned from my copy of Collected Visions. http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab195/Pohjanpoika85/MariinitCalthissa.jpg Not sure what pattern of armor these Ultramarines are wearing. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3006057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I think it's meant to be a derivation of MkV Armour (I could be wrong). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3006058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 That's Praetor armour, but the topknot marine has a Mk7-ish helmet. Edit: And artificer armour, I'd say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3006391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Personally I'm doing mine in Mk IV with Praetor helmets. Kind of based on the picture above. (See link in my sig) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3006407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I wonder if Forgeworld would consider doing some Praetor helmets (even though the market has some already)... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3006512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schultzhoffen Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Looks similar to Sisters of Battle Helmets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3007570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Having a 500 world empire does have its advantages lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3007770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daismith906 Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Cheers for the responses Well ive decied to use mk2 armour with maximini heads for the standard marines Mk3 legs & red scorpion torso's for the sgts (mk2 helmets with crests added for rank) and for my captain im using the ultramarines honour guard champion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3007797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 There is also the Iron Warriors Conversion set under Bitz on the GW site. It has five torsos which look like mkII or mkIII and some matching heads. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1110164 As for the picture, Mr Plume looks like mkVII and the rest look mkV. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248151-best-mk-of-power-armour-for-pre-heresy-ultramarines/#findComment-3010134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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