гR.I.B. Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 [img; background-image:url(http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/hq2.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-position: 8px 2px; padding: 12px 8px 12px 8px; border: 1px solid #DDD; margin-left: 0 auto; text-align: left; color: #fff; text-indent:50px; font-size:130%; width:50%;">http://s018.radikal.ru/i503/1203/b9/cb872a21323a.jpg[/img] Angels of Knowledge colour scheme At the time of its founding, the Angels of Knowledge chapter was zealous defenders of the Imperum like there is hundred of the Unforgiven Chapters. The Chapter has been specially created at the request of the Grand Master of the Dark Angels to carry out a "contact" of all Unforgiven Chapters with Inquisition. This meant that they had to to prevent the Inquisition learn the secrets of Unforgiven, as well as possible, to use the resources and methods of the Inquisition to search for the Fallen. As a result of several centuries, this "interaction" The Chapter not only honorably fulfilled its objective, but also gained a tremendous amount of "collateral knowledge" ... "The dirty lingerie of the Imperium” everything that ever was hidden, stories that never been told, and perhaps something as important and terrible that rather than to destroy The Chapter which penetrated too deeply into the secrets of the Imperium, the Inquisition is much preferred to closely monitor the Chapter.When the Curse of 21st founding showed its face, Angels of Knowledge managed to conduct a series of measures to protect their gene-seed from degenerating. Two most effective of them was The Blood Chains Tradition and reforming chapters 2nd company (company whith most pure gene-seed) into the Puritywing. Puritywing was ordered to keep crystal purity of their gene-seed by all the costs.Chapters Homeworld was in the huge system named Dolor, that is located on the border between Segmentum Pacificus and Segmentum Tempestus. In addition to their Homeworld system included Sanctuary-world with own force of Adepta Sorroritas, 3 inhabited Imperial worlds and 2 uninhabited. The Blood Chains This mysterious tradition is the inheritance of the purest killed battle-brother's organs by his successor, like it happens with astartes armour. Later experiments showd that without it ritual percent Forgotten Sons mutations begins to grow in extreme progression, but also causes Forgotten Sons strongest mutation – so called “Voices of Forgotten” War of White and Black Hand 3 years after the Hive-Fleet Behemoth attacked Imperium Dolor system was invaded by Chaos Warband known as the “Black Fists” (named after Alliance base - space hulk “Black Fist”). Their target was archive of secrets collected by the Chapter.This warband was leaded by tree arch-heretics: Fallen Angels apothecarian Methuselah, Warsmith Le’Bierge and Sorcerer Feiro. All chapter forces were called for protection the system... But it was to late. Half of the system already was conquered by Black Fists. Sanctuary-World has fallen under enemy attack and was sacked. During the siege of the Dolor 5 (Homeworld) Black Fists unleashed their last secret weapon – virus, especially for this acquired from Fabius Bile. Virus that made real the worst Angels of Knowledge nightmare – gene-seed destabilization. Most Battle-Brothers began mutate, right on the battlefield. Only at the last moment the order was saved from absolute destruction - in the system came last Battle-Company of the Order, has not participated in the defense of the planet, 5th Battle-Company. During it’s attacks, it also has been exposed to the virus, but was able to break the siege of the planet. With monstrous losses Angels could drive out the enemy from the system.After the War http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/1203/5a/c7ce9f1a0fc9.jpg Forgotten Sons colour scheme The price of victory was terrible. 3 Battle-Companies was completely annihilated. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 8th (reserve devastator Battle-Company) many of their battle brothers. 16 scouts was saved after war and only 5 marines survived in 4th Battle-Company. Mutations spreaded between marines. But Puritywing long ago transformed in “Chapter in Chapter” completed it’s task – their gene-seed was absolutely pure. Chapters Inner Circle decided to keep in secret destabilization of their gene-seed, but as a sign of mourning for their past them changed Chapters name to “Forgotten Sons” (in honour hundreds of died marines whose names was lost when their Chapter was crushed), changed Chapter’s symbol and re-painted armour of all Chapters Marines.To restore the strength of the Chapter, almost immediately after the war, from every more or less genetically pure marine were removed Progenoids to implant them in the recruits. Recruits were recruited throughout the Imperium, and not only Dolor 5. The scale of that recruiting compared only with what was at the foundation of the Chapter. Only decades later the number was re-established enough to start trying to restore the genetic purity of the Order. Now chapters apothecaries try to use genetic seed is not belonging to the Puritywing, only in extreme cases. The Unknown One of the first Chapters discoveries in the depths of the planet was The Unknown - a mysterious machine-sarcophagus very similar with dreadnought. Perhaps this was a new dreadnought pattern, developed on Dolor, but did not finished. Either way the machine was repaired and completed by Chapters Techmarines. But years later, all the information about the The Unknown kept by Chapters Inner Circle in the strictest secrecy. Nobody did not know how the Order was able to restore machine, is there in dungeons of Dolor similar sarcophagus, and most importantly - who is inside it? On this issue there are many versions and rumors: that is the last of the surviving Marines battle the sixth company that is missing at war the Grand Master Chapter that the sarcophagus was unable to open and there is still a pilot placed there before the Horus Heresy (probably Space Marine of the Dark Angels, or perhaps even of the Traitor-Legions) ... In the times before the Horus Heresy Dolor 5 was known as Crasterian – an high-technological Imperium world. But when heresy began, government of this planet took the side of the Emperor and the planet has undergone nuclear bombing by the Chorus forces. Polar ice caps melted, the whole surface of the planet was flooded. Survivors of the planet gradually coming out its underground bunker in search of food until 90% of the population did not live permanently on the "surface" of the planet. This “surface” is a mix of mud swamps and toxic seas on which drifting the huge islands of floating garbage. The largest of these islands turned into a sort of floating cities, each of which is populated by separate tribe. Fortress-Monastery of the Chapter is located in what used to be the capital of the world, and now hidden under tons of mud and water. Monstrous industrial complex, of this place goes for miles under the earth hiding hundreds of secrets, forgotten there by previous masters of the planet. Gene-Seed Forgotten Sons share Gene-Seed of Lion El’Jonson, that horribly degenerated because of the virus. Except for the battle brothers consisting of Puritywing over time, all the Space Marine appears one or several unique mutations to Chapter. But if these mutations are too many or a marine begin to show signs of "Votes of Forgotten" he immediately will be transferred to the Doomwing, where he is under the care of veteran-brothers serve until his death. The most common mutations:"Voices of the Forgotten" - A mutation in Omophagea, because of which Marines hear voices of their killed brothers, organs of which they are transplanted. The state is close to multiple personality. These warriors could hardly control themselves and forced a long time to rebuild their consciousness by "choir" of personalities, but reached a "unanimous persons" even the youngest brother Marines fighting with the experience and skills of veterans."Tears of the Emperor" - Belcher's Gland mutation, which resulted in the eyes, mouth and sometimes nose Marines begin to continuously oozing blood-red liquid"Ghosts of Dolor" - a Mucranoid mutation, which makes the skin Marines absolutely clear."Look of Cursed" - mutation of Occulobe causing eyes chemical luminescence."The Curse of Damocles" - Haemastamen mutation. All in all a few weeks marine "getting old" to the state of a walking mummy ... On the combat qualities it has almost no effect, but very demoralizing to the mutant."No sleep without forgiveness" - Mutation of Catalepsean Node. Marine cannot really relax, permanently being in the state of severe stress, the absolute attentiveness and concentration. Almost all soon go mad. Organisation After the war, the chapter decided never again to to restore the lost battle the companies, as it would be disrespectful to the dead. In addition to each Company Master was ordered to choose his deputy, who will assume command of the company in the event of his death or by dividing companies to smaller units due to tactical necessity. This post has been named Master Sergeant. Grand Master is also supposed to advance to appoint a receiver in the number of Company Masters.The chapter now consists of 7 battle companies described below:1) Doomwing. Company Master - Albert Lucifer. Master Sergeant – Apothecarian Lavr Belfegore (Master over Apothecarion)The first company was transformed into a Doomwing, where under the supervision of the brothers from the inner circle serve the most mutated marines. In the transition to Doomwing marine in is sealed his armor so that he could never take them off, only exception is the helmet. This armour can be repaired only with the use of armour of other marines from the Doomwing. All Marines are special Wing Doom shoulder guard - a sign of belonging to the inner circle of the Chapter (including the mutants, because mutants and is one of the main secrets of the Chapter). Marines wearing Terminator armour are not mutants. These so-called Guard-Brothers that consist in the inner circle of the Chapter and designed, among other things, to watch their mutant brothers. 8 most mutated brothers form so called “Crow Squad” which is one of most effective Chapters resources and greatest shames.Doomwing Reserve Base is located under the sea areas where there have been the planet’s polar caps. Now there is a most dangerous area of Goldothas surface full of underwater rocks and giant icebergs. The base itself is protected by shield of ice and stone.2) Puritywing. Company Master – Galos “White Fire” Velzevul. Master Sergeant – Egan Azazel.The Chapters last hope – the Puritywing at the first look seems like a part of some another Chapter so unlike they are. Years spent in the relentless pursuit cleanse their gene-seed from the filth that polluted it forever changed the thinking of battle-brothers Puritywing. Now, the second company of the Chapter is a fanatical cult of fire, and purity. It is not known when the minds of of battle-brothers came to this strange belief that fire is an absolute cleaner, but now it is an integral part of the company, so does their white armor or motorcycles Apart from this battle-brothers just crazy absolute purity at all: their armor, their cells, their bodies are maintained in a constant purity (at least within the capabilities of Space Marine).Reserve Base Wing Purity is almost at the core of the planet, on the opposite relatively to the Fortress-Monastery side of the planet. It is hidden under tons of rock and miles of water, a temple of white marble and flowing lava, which is supported in unrivaled purity by thousands of servitors.3) 3rd ”Survived” Battle Company. Company Master – Arthur Maamon. Master Sergeant – Chaplain Orthus Dahacka .Third Battle Company during the war, defended the fortress-monastery of the Chapter, together with the Fourth and the Second battle companies, but unlike them, more than ¾ of the company squads could survive the war. As a sign of merit in the defense company chapter Fortress-Monastery and in the memory of that battle, battle-brothers of the third company wear over the armor ripped robes. Third Battle Company is Chapters most numerous company, nowadays it counts over 230 marines 4 Dreadnought Sarcophagus and 20 units of technique. Company don’t have any Reserve Base, they are located only in Chapters Fortres-Monastery, protecting it from any tread, as it was due the War.4) 4th “Reborn” Battle Company. Company Master – Drhak Belizzaar. Master Sergeant – Torm Asgarot.Forth Battle Company was almost destroyed. Only one squad survived after it. Only one squad managed to survive, and even then only through the timely reinforcements came to the rescue and medical care provided to them directly on the battlefield. After the battle three of those five Marines for more than 60% of the body is replaced by augmentics. Decades have gone out to train recruits for the restoration of company and it will take even longer to return company to its former glory. Nowadays Company is leaded by those five marines that could survive during the war and the squad sergeant is a Company Maser.Company’s Reserve Base is disguised as a giant Dolor’s floating island and constantly moving over the surface of the planet. Despite the apparent vulnerability of this base it has been designed and secured to withstand a concentrated direct orbital bombardment.5) 5th “Pursuing” Battle Company. Company Master – Bero Mulcibber (Master over Fleet). Master Sergeant - Marhon Maarbas.While Black Fists started their attack on Dolor system Fifth Battle Company was helping the Inquisition quell an uprising in one of the distant systems. For this reason a company could come into the Dolor system only to final stage of the planet siege. But it was enough to turn the tide of battle. Ground forces received a much-needed reinforcement, were able to inflict a decisive counter-attack on, the enemy that has lost the orbital support. After the war, in the fifth company, each marine felt remorse for what they could not come to the aid of the Chapter before, and so the whole company took a lifelong penance to seek Black Fists, as hard as the Fallen Angels.Reserve base of the company is a main chapters battleship – one of the smallest Imperium battle barges “Forgotten Secret”, supported by its twin-sisters “Forgotten Mystery” and “Forgotten Trick”. Despite their size, these ships can boast the high ratio of strength on-board power plant to the size of the ship, so capable of delivering amazing imagination characteristics of force shields, speed, manoeuvrability and efficiency of camouflage. 6th “Lost” Battle Company Sixth Battle Company was the first company attacked by Black Fists. They only managed to pass the alarm before being attacked ... But at the point where the expected battle took place and was not found any body of any marine, like anywhere else. Company literally disappeared without a trace. It is possible that the sixth company marines survived the battle and escape, or they went to the enemy, or all of their bodies were used for some terrible warp magic ... No one can be confident in something on this issue. 6) 8th “Guardian” Battle Company. Company Master – Faust Uthbrud. Master Sergeant - Felvurs Ashakk.Eighth Reserve Devastator Battle Company during the war repulsed dropping Black Fists virtually the entire southern hemisphere of the planet and she coped admirably with this daunting task. Both before and after the war was a company known for its unsurpassed masters in handling heavy bolter. This is a sacred weapon is a recognized symbol of the company. After the war eighth company was reorganized from reserve in the complete battle company. Of course, as most of the company is still consists of devastator squads. Company’s Reserve base is a specifically delivered to the orbit of Dolor 5 planetary defense space station "Seal". This monstrous space fortress able to fully ensure the safety of the planet from hostile forces twice exceeding those which Black Fists invaded during the War.7) 10th Scout Company. Master over Scouts - Plinius Sabhnak. Tenth Battle Company is the only Chapters, that do not changed into a some sort of Great Company or Clan and still operates according to the Codex Astartes. 16 scouts that survived during the war now became company’s sergeants and train chapter’s scouts in the ideals and tactics of the Chapter.Because Tenth Company not deviated from the methods of the Codex Astartes it has no Master Sergeants or Reserve Base. The only difference from conventional methods of teaching scouts is that each scout team pre is assigned to the of one of the major Companies and gets the appropriate specialization.Master over Forge – magos Baalus. Master over Libliarium – Hastur Mefistofel.Combat Doctrine Due to the long-term work on the Inquisition Chapter developed a very unusual tactic of warfare. Produced as much as possible a complete investigation before the fight. Find out all possible options for deployment, attack vectors and vulnerabilities of the enemy. The troops are placed in their positions so that their attack was a surprise as much as possible for the enemy. Decoys are placed and made deceitful operations before the battle. And in perfectly aligned key point Marines leave their shelters and open as possible intense fire on the enemy without letting that approach to impose melee. Battle Cry Angels of Knowledge Battle Cry (sometimes still used): «We know your weaknesses. We know your sins”Forgotten Sons Battle Cry: “No matter the cost!No matter the suffer!No matter the curse!We will serve to the Emperror!” Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
гR.I.B. Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 please forgive me for some unattractive layout, but the corrections to this post makes me terrified Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3007341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Okey, welcome to the Liber for the second time. The following is massacre of your ideas, I don't know how to call it otherwise. It's not like I hate your ideas or anything... just that some things simply don't make sense to me. ^_^ Before the Curse At the time of its founding, the Angels of Knowledge chapter was zealous defenders of the Imperum like hundreds of other Unforgiven chapters. - This sentence is... weird. It certainly doesn't belong at the beginning of article. - "hundreds" [plural] is exaggeration, there is hundred of the Unforgiven Chapters at best. The Chapter has been specially created at the request of the Grand Master of the Dark Angels to carry out a "contact" of all Unforgiven Chapters with Inquisition. This meant that they had to to prevent the Inquisition learn the secrets of Unforgiven, as well as possible, to use the resources and methods of the Inquisition to search for the Fallen. - No, the specific request is unusual, so unusual that it was mentioned in the Codex: Dark Angels. - The Unforgiven officially don't exist, the idea of the Legion in everything but name goes against the purpose (or spirit if you want) of Guilleman's reforms in the early days of Imperium. - How do you imagine the use of Inquisition in the search of Fallen? Puritywing was ordered to keep crystal purity of their gene-seed by all the costs. - How? Blood Chains introduce another mutation... Chapters Homeworld was in the huge system named Golgotha, that is located on the border between Segmentum Pacificus and Segmentum Tempestus. In addition to their Homeworld system included Sanctuary-world with own force of Adepta Sorroritas, 6 inhabited Imperial worlds and 4 uninhabited. - Golgotha, just saying and the system is ridiculously huge. After the War The price of victory was terrible. 3 Battle-Companies was completely annihilated. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 8th (reserve devastator Battle-Company) lost more than half of their battle brothers. 16 scouts was saved after war and only 5 marines survived in 4th Battle-Company. Mutations spreaded between marines. But Puritywing long ago transformed in “Chapter in Chapter” completed its task – their gene-seed was absolutely pure. - Ugh... 3rd, 4th and 5th are Battle Companies. 8th is 'Assault' Reserve Company and 9th is 'Devastator' Reserve Company. - If the geneseed of 2nd is free of mutation... Why don't use it for the rest of Chapter? - By the way, with just ~250 marines and unstable gene-seed your Chapter is as good as dead with no chance for recovery. Chapters Inner Circle decided to keep in secret destabilization of their gene-seed, but as a sign of mourning for their past them changed Chapters name to “Forgotten Sons” (in honour hundreds of died marines whose names was lost when their Chapter was crushed), changed Chapter’s symbol and re-painted armour of all Chapters Marines. - Exercise in futility. The Chapters are obliged to send 5% of their gene-seed to Mars for purity checks. - The Changes doesn't happen. There are some precedents but nothing radical. The Space Marines almost always just carry on, without resorting to such melodramatic act(s). Homeworld No one knows why the Adeptus Mechanicus never claim their rights on the planet and did not try to restore it. - Deus ex Machina explanation and totaly out of character for Admech. Gene-Seed "Voices of the Forgotten" - A mutation in Omophagea "Tears of the Emperor" - Belcher's Gland mutation "Ghosts of Golgotha" - a Mucranoid mutation "Look of Cursed" - mutation of Occulobe "The Curse of Damocles" - Haemastamen mutation "No sleep without forgiveness" - Mutation of Catalepsean Node - Corrected. Organisation After the war, the chapter decided never again to to restore the lost battle the companies, as it would be disrespectful to the dead. - Hmmm... Why? - What is the purpose of Reserve Bases? Tenth Battle Company is the only Company, that has not changed into a some sort of Great Company or Clan and still operates according to the Codex Astartes. - Why? Edit: [/clearfloat] http://radikal.ru/F/s52.radikal.ru/i138/1203/5a/c7ce9f1a0fc9.jpg Forgotten Sons colour scheme http://radikal.ru/F/s018.radikal.ru/i503/1203/b9/cb872a21323a.jpg Angels of Knowledge colour scheme [clearfloat] ~NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3007810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
гR.I.B. Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 The following is massacre of your ideas True words... realy true... - This sentence is... weird. It certainly doesn't belong at the beginning of article. - "hundreds" [plural] is exaggeration, there is hundred of the Unforgiven Chapters at best. I'l... ty to fix it... english grammar... is my weak side... so i used google-translator - No, the specific request is unusual, so unusual that it was mentioned in the Codex: Dark Angels. good point... change it into "after its creation, the Chapter was ordered"? - How do you imagine the use of Inquisition in the search of Fallen? By... listening?... watching? understanding what is going on?... Of course this is largely dependent from the Inquisitor they work whith... - How? Blood Chains introduce another mutation... Blood Chains do not automatically provoke the "Voices of Forgotten" and... "blood chained" marine can be geneticaly pure jus by dont having any mutations. - Golgotha, just saying and the system is ridiculously huge. F**k.. And.. the second is fixable... - Ugh... 3rd, 4th and 5th are Battle Companies. 8th is 'Assault' Reserve Company and 9th is 'Devastator' Reserve Company. Its... a little earlier.... step from codex - If the geneseed of 2nd is free of mutation... Why don't use it for the rest of Chapter? Its a problem of my.. laziness... They are started doing that, but only recently... - By the way, with just ~250 marines and unstable gene-seed your Chapter is as good as dead with no chance for recovery. Ok... how much will be enough? - Exercise in futility. The Chapters are obliged to send 5% of their gene-seed to Mars for purity checks. I know it... my laziness.... they are sending Puritywing's one... - The Changes doesn't happen. There are some precedents but nothing radical. The Space Marines almost always just carry on, without resorting to such melodramatic act(s). F**k.. i created emo-marines! (not the biggest problem of my... massacre? let it stay) - Deus ex Machina explanation and totaly out of character for Admech. Eh... its a really big... hole in the plot.. and i don't know how to fix it... "Voices of the Forgotten" - A mutation in Omophagea "Tears of the Emperor" - Belcher's Gland mutation "Ghosts of Golgotha" - a Mucranoid mutation "Look of Cursed" - mutation of Occulobe "The Curse of Damocles" - Haemastamen mutation "No sleep without forgiveness" - Mutation of Catalepsean Node - Corrected. il fix it later... After the war, the chapter decided never again to to restore the lost battle the companies, as it would be disrespectful to the dead. - Hmmm... Why? - What is the purpose of Reserve Bases? Tenth Battle Company is the only Company, that has not changed into a some sort of Great Company or Clan and still operates according to the Codex Astartes. - Why? Il... answer it all in one... This Chapter that have Great Companies and Clans had their own reasons for... having such structure.. Forgotten Sons was crushed by the war... They was disappointed in their old structure, and they started to change into a Clan\Great Company structure.. And this process is going from up (Puritywing) to down (10th Company) not so.. quickly... They cannot just separate.. They need scouts, and they can take them only from the 10th company... But changes already began, they already separate scouts.. and its only a question of time when Companies begin to train their ovn scouts in their own Companies and the 10th Company will be transformed into a Battle Company or just ripped into parts and absorbet by other Companies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3007968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 - How do you imagine the use of Inquisition in the search of Fallen?By... listening?... watching? understanding what is going on?... Of course this is largely dependent from the Inquisitor they work whith... ... which is basically what the rest of the Unforgiven is already doing. ;) Btw, why I'm getting the feeling that two organisations, each of them as mysterious as castle in the Carpathians, cannot work well together? - By the way, with just ~250 marines and unstable gene-seed your Chapter is as good as dead with no chance for recovery.Ok... how much will be enough? 100% Really, unstable gene-seed spells problems by default and it will be hard task just to keep themselves battle-ready. - The Changes doesn't happen. There are some precedents but nothing radical. The Space Marines almost always just carry on, without resorting to such melodramatic act(s).F**k.. i created emo-marines! (not the biggest problem of my... massacre? let it stay) No way!!! You are Son of Lion, act like one not like Emperor's Children... :lol: - Deus ex Machina explanation and totaly out of character for Admech.Eh... its a really big... hole in the plot.. and i don't know how to fix it... Easy. Don't say it was ForgeWorld. It could be just advanced Civilised World. Il... answer it all in one... This Chapter that have Great Companies and Clans had their own reasons for... having such structure.. Forgotten Sons was crushed by the war... They was disappointed in their old structure, and they started to change into a Clan\Great Company structure.. - Ugh... 3rd, 4th and 5th are Battle Companies. 8th is 'Assault' Reserve Company and 9th is 'Devastator' Reserve Company. Its... a little earlier.... step from codex So, if the AoK were already departing from Codex, what made them believe that it was step in right direction? Note: Based on the premiss that the Codex is treatise written by genius with fingerspitzengefühl for organisation and logistic. B) 2nd, independent companies doesn't warrant individual bases. Look at Space Wolves. ~NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3008681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
гR.I.B. Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 ... which is basically what the rest of the Unforgiven is already doing. I men listening and etc... while they work with Inquisition. 100% Really, unstable gene-seed spells problems by default and it will be hard task just to keep themselves battle-ready. Problem... problem Easy. Don't say it was ForgeWorld. It could be just advanced Civilised World. Good.. il fix it... So, if the AoK were already departing from Codex, what made them believe that it was step in right direction? Note: Based on the premiss that the Codex is treatise written by genius with fingerspitzengefühl for organisation and logistic. Hm... let say that was the fact that they was "so" close to lose the war just because they was crushed Company by Company. 2nd, independent companies doesn't warrant individual bases. Look at Space Wolves. Yes... but its good if Fortress-Monastery falls and they will need a base, or two to conquer it back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3008861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 ... which is basically what the rest of the Unforgiven is already doing, while they fight alongside the Inquisition. Fixed. So, if the AoK were already departing from Codex, what made them believe that it was step in right direction? Note: Based on the premiss that the Codex is treatise written by genius with fingerspitzengefühl for organisation and logistic.Hm... let say that was the fact that they was "so" close to lose the war just because they was crushed Company by Company. That's hardly a fault of Codex, since the Reserve + 1st + 2nd (in case of the Unforgiven) + 10th Companies are supposed to support and reinforce the Battle Companies. 2nd, if the Chapter wants to prevent being crushed piecemeal, then 'divide and conquer' is not solution. 2nd, independent companies doesn't warrant individual bases. Look at Space Wolves.Yes... but its good if Fortress-Monastery falls and they will need a base, or two to conquer it back. You know, the purpose of fortress is safe shelter, where you can retreat to withstand a storm. - It's last line of defence, not the first. ~NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3009003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
гR.I.B. Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 ... which is basically what the rest of the Unforgiven is already doing, while they fight alongside the Inquisition And forgotten Sons jus do it more... intensively. That's hardly a fault of Codex, since the Reserve + 1st + 2nd (in case of the Unforgiven) + 10th Companies are supposed to support and reinforce the Battle Companies. Its a question of "what Will it be" structure. Now its between classic and new. 2nd, if the Chapter wants to prevent being crushed piecemeal, then 'divide and conquer' is not solution. They are more into a... expanding their numbers with a space for expanding even more than in dividing. You know, the purpose of fortress is safe shelter, where you can retreat to withstand a storm. - It's last line of defence, not the first. They prefer think that their last line of defense is their last marine, that can retreat as long as it needed, even if it a retreat from their fortress-monastery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3009033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roma Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 What if the enemy attacks the monastary first? Reserve bases would come in handy. I would say keep those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3009897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
гR.I.B. Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 Edited Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3010649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
гR.I.B. Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 Terminator Color Scheme http://s019.radikal.ru/i605/1203/8a/08c7a89440c9.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3017977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
гR.I.B. Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Firstly. I thought to make them successors of Angels of Vengeance, as they are known for their talent appear on the verge of destruction, and to overcome this condition. Secondly. http://cs9574.userapi.com/u1918727/109650370/y_5aeca602.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248273-forgotten-sons-second-attempt/#findComment-3026611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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