frostclaw222 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Just finished reading Know No Fear, and there was mentioned made to Rhinos, and Rhino Avengers. If I recall from the reference, it sounded like an extended version. So...there were stretch Rhinos?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clobtastic Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 The HH collected visions book also has open topped rhino's, called Thunder Rhino's?, shown full of Space Wolves and skimmer Rhino's being used by the Custodes and Sisters of Silence, when they battled the daemons in the webway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3009714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I suppose it is a natural adaptation considering massive Legion size and the "kill teams" they mention throughout which were notably larger than your standard squad. I wonder how much additional space Abnett pictured them as having? Unless they have been mentioned before which I am unaware of, I'd give him credit as the creator and assume he must have had a rough idea of their carry capacity when he penned it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3009769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 The name of the Rhino variant in Know No Fear, was Rhino Advancer. Would be interesting to see what it would look like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3009976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Eh, one of the Armageddon books has a Dreadnought (Jarald, IIRC) clambering out of a Land Raider. They just make it up as they go along. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Eh, one of the Armageddon books has a Dreadnought (Jarald, IIRC) clambering out of a Land Raider. They just make it up as they go along. Thatta fact? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Yes, it is a fact. Obviously some authors are 'better' than others at not producing things directly from their anus, but it happens. I looked it up by the way, p22 of Conquest of Armageddon has the dreadnought Brother Jarold, not Jarald, exiting the rear of a Land Raider Crusader. The rear of a Land Raider. As in, where the engine block is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 It all had to be thought up and written down at one point or another. I have no qualm with a stretch rhino. But your comment makes me wonder, where is the Rhino's engine... and than I looked it up. It has four engines! I suppose one for each smokestack and I guess they are within the side hull... And than I did more searching... and found someone saying on a thread that apparently in 2nd Ed. the LR Spartan could actually carry a Dread. Fun. Eh, one of the Armageddon books has a Dreadnought (Jarald, IIRC) clambering out of a Land Raider. They just make it up as they go along. Thatta fact? Tehehe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Yes, it is a fact. Obviously some authors are 'better' than others at not producing things directly from their anus, but it happens. I looked it up by the way, p22 of Conquest of Armageddon has the dreadnought Brother Jarold, not Jarald, exiting the rear of a Land Raider Crusader. The rear of a Land Raider. As in, where the engine block is. You're missing the point. Painfully so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Enlighten me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Yes, it is a fact. Obviously some authors are 'better' than others at not producing things directly from their anus, but it happens. I looked it up by the way, p22 of Conquest of Armageddon has the dreadnought Brother Jarold, not Jarald, exiting the rear of a Land Raider Crusader. The rear of a Land Raider. As in, where the engine block is. You're missing the point. Painfully so. Perhaps I am too. It is obviously the job of the author to make things up as they go along, otherwise something set in a fantasy setting such as 40K would never have a word written about it. There are differences in reality though between the BL stories, the codecis and the artwork, particularly the artwork which seems more rule of cool than accepted interpretation. You are in a position to understand how things are developed or discarded; we are solely reliant on the finished product. I'm sure you can be clearer in your reply without divulging family secrets than your cryptic responses have been thus far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Enlighten me. As intriguing as your immensely negative and cynical initial reply was, maybe there's more to it than that. Maybe "They're just wrong, that's all there is to it" isn't the first recourse to go to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Yes, it is a fact. Obviously some authors are 'better' than others at not producing things directly from their anus, but it happens. I looked it up by the way, p22 of Conquest of Armageddon has the dreadnought Brother Jarold, not Jarald, exiting the rear of a Land Raider Crusader. The rear of a Land Raider. As in, where the engine block is. You're missing the point. Painfully so. Perhaps I am too. It is obviously the job of the author to make things up as they go along, otherwise something set in a fantasy setting such as 40K would never have a word written about it. There are differences in reality though between the BL stories, the codecis and the artwork, particularly the artwork which seems more rule of cool than accepted interpretation. You are in a position to understand how things are developed or discarded; we are solely reliant on the finished product. I'm sure you can be clearer in your reply without divulging family secrets than your cryptic responses have been thus far. I'm not being cryptic. I'm pointing out that it's ridiculous to be immediately negative, and just assume the worst, or be so pointlessly derisive in expressing oneself. Especially given how much variant Mark stuff Forge World are releasing lately. It's not insider information. It's common sense. Compare: A remark based on an ancient novel almost 10 years old, written long before GW IP tendencies changed in regards to how BL and FW worked - and a Heresy novel published this month in an era when FW are releasing endless streams of pre-Heresy tech. Sorry if the inane negativity got to me. That sort of thing usually does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 A Rhino Avenger is the thing that kills whatever kills a standard Rhino. ;) But now someone says it was called a Rhino Advancer? That sounds like a fast version or something. There were variants of ye olde Rhino in the Collected Visions - an open topped big one and a flying one so it could be something like that or it may just be the precursor to the Razorback which wasn't around during the heresy iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Enlighten me. As intriguing as your immensely negative and cynical initial reply was, maybe there's more to it than that. Maybe "They're just wrong, that's all there is to it" isn't the first recourse to go to. Well I guess that when you simply assert that I was saying what you wanted me to say and don't bother with what I actually said then your responses are all correct and make perfect sense. Kudos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Enlighten me. As intriguing as your immensely negative and cynical initial reply was, maybe there's more to it than that. Maybe "They're just wrong, that's all there is to it" isn't the first recourse to go to. Well I guess that when you simply assert that I was saying what you wanted me to say and don't bother with what I actually said then your responses are all correct and make perfect sense. Kudos. Yeah. They just make it up as they go along. Yes, it is a fact. Obviously some authors are 'better' than others at not producing things directly from their anus, but it happens. How foolish of me for somehow(!) inferring negativity from such pleasant, positive phrasing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I don't deny that it was negative, but that wasn't the part of your post(s) I take issue with. It's the other parts where you attribute things to me that did not say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montuhotep Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I believe there is an Epic scale Rhino Avenger that served as an AA variant before the Whirlwind Hyperios (FW'S AA kit). The Hyperios replaced the Avenger, according to fluff, because the Avenger fell below expectations for performance and reliability. Custodes did indeed have skimmer Rhinos because they're the fancy boys. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I don't deny that it was negative, but that wasn't the part of your post(s) I take issue with. It's the other parts where you attribute things to me that did not say. Hey, actually, you're totally right. My bad, I misunderstood. Sorry for that, dude. That said, the unfailingly negative reaction is silly, and pointlessly derisive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Yes, it is a fact. Obviously some authors are 'better' than others at not producing things directly from their anus, but it happens. I looked it up by the way, p22 of Conquest of Armageddon has the dreadnought Brother Jarold, not Jarald, exiting the rear of a Land Raider Crusader. The rear of a Land Raider. As in, where the engine block is. I think someone would have to be blind in order to not see criticism in that remark. Especially since the Land Raider Crusader is a variant of the Land Raider. Variant implies "not like the original". I love how people attack BL for its "inconsistencies" yet Forgeworld and GW itself are above a hobbyist's reproach when they decided to mess with the fluff. I don't know, maybe it is because I wouldn't even know about this hobby if it wasn't for BL that I feel grateful to them. On the topic note, I think everyone has provided a good example at what the Rhino variant could be but ultimately no one will really now. Unless of course BL provides a better description either through the Collected Visions or another novel. Kind of like the Mk V Heresy Armo(u)r. The Ultramarines have the home-brewed Praetor variant. The rest of the Loyalist Legions basically have their own individual homemade variety as well. Of course I'm sure since anything from BL is "non-canon" there is obviously a standard version for the Mk V which can be bought at Forgeworld and that BL is evil for even giving the idea that there might be a variety of the same item which would also restrict modeling possibilities that are based on fluff. So Deliverance-variant Heresy armo(u)r that is mentioned to begin construction during Deliverance Lost. Shame on you BL. Please note the sarcasm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 armo(u)r I enjoyed this part the most. Good for you for being.... Linguistically correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 That said, the unfailingly negative reaction is silly, and pointlessly derisive. I find it next to impossible to be anything but negative and derisive when it comes to Black Library books. I've given them chance after chance and have always come away disappointed. I guess it's an aspect of 'the hobby' that I'll never get. No personal criticism intended, I haven't read any of your books. First Heretic is next up. I love how people attack BL for its "inconsistencies" yet Forgeworld and GW itself are above a hobbyist's reproach when they decided to mess with the fluff. Sweet strawman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 armo(u)r I enjoyed this part the most. Good for you for being.... Linguistically correct? The U.S. doesn't use an "u" in that word so I was being polite to those who do use it so they wouldn't get a twitch and say that it was spelled wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 No personal criticism intended, I haven't read any of your books. First Heretic is next up. Well, you certainly seem like a hard one to please, but I think you will enjoy it. It was certainly one of my favorites of the whole series. I also don't recall if A D-B made up any new vehicle varients. There was certainly no stretch rhinos. armo(u)r I enjoyed this part the most. Good for you for being.... Linguistically correct? The U.S. doesn't use an "u" in that word so I was being polite to those who do use it so they wouldn't get a twitch and say that it was spelled wrong. Yes silly, I know this - I wasn't accusing you of a misspelling. Hence my play on words, "linguistically" taking the place of "politically". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Custodes did indeed have skimmer Rhinos because they're the fancy boys. :D I could see the Custodes having a 'stretched Rhino' too all that gold bling, being the top dogs an all, probably got the system cranked up to 11 and just cruising along ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248556-rhino-variant/#findComment-3010896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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