FallenArtist Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Hello i am new here but i have a great love the the hobby. I was looking and at some stuff about Fulgrim and i read an extract from the Black Libary from the new book coming 'The Pirmarchs'. I was just wondering if anyone has read it yet and what are their thoughts on it. i would write what i read but i dont know how to cover up spoilers yet hahaha. Thank You for any who respond and sorry if there was already a talk about the extract. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Welcome, brother. If you want to cover some spoilericious information, press Quote for my post and copy both the "spoiler" brackets below. Then insert your text in between them. and As to "Primarchs", I've read a few spoilers, seems like there are some juicy bits, especially regarding Fulgrim and the Alpha Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3010481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 If you're looking for info on Fulgrim there is a book on him, called "Fulgrim" funnily enough ;), earlier in the series. I agree though, the spoilers look great! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mage 257 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I'm really hoping that this book will be awesome and expand more on the brotherhood shared by the primarchs, although in the end I'm really hoping for some decent expansion of the primarchs we have already experienced, rather than trying to squeeze in the obligatory cameos from the ones we have not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The book on Fulgrim is ok, it doesnt really portray him in a good light though to be honest. Makes him seem like an arogant child in a few ways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The book on Fulgrim is ok, it doesnt really portray him in a good light though to be honest. Makes him seem like an arogant child in a few ways. To be fair, I think that's supposed to be the point. You look at the primarchs that side with Horus and most of them have real bad daddy issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The book on Fulgrim is ok, it doesnt really portray him in a good light though to be honest. Makes him seem like an arogant child in a few ways. Arrogant child ? Sounds like Fulgrim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I know what you mean, but despite their daddy issues they were all men of greatness at one point, Fulgrim bought a planet back from the brink of utter collapse in his youth so just because he cant impress the Emperor at every turn he acts like a teen of Jersey Shore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Fulgrim had daddy issues ? His was the only legion priviledged to wear Aquila. I think he was too proud and desperate at the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Either that or he was a glory hog. Needed his fathers attention at all times, out do his brothers by being 'perfect' and the list goes on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The book on Fulgrim is ok, it doesnt really portray him in a good light though to be honest. Makes him seem like an arogant child in a few ways.Let's be realistic here. All of the primarchs who fell to Chaos were severely flawed. That's why they fell. It's going to be hard to show any of them in a positive light. Ultimately these guys are some of the biggest villains of the 40K universe. Good authors may be able to inflect some humanity or depth to them, but ultimately, they're all going to have succumbed to whatever flaw the Chaos Gods exploited to turn them. Some of them are pretty one-dimensional dudes like Angron (Angry because he was lobotomized with an angry maker). Others have a bit of depth to them (Lorgar with his severe validation issues). But ultimately it's going to be hard to show any of them as good guys, or worthy of much respect because they aren't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Ok, i've read the spoilers and Fulgrim kills Eidolon apparently. Odd given his true defection and Eidolon being a token Slaaneshi. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mage 257 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 In the end I did actually feel sorry for Fulgrim, firstly for the Laeran artifact twisting him, and in many ways he was a brash and arrogant child but at the end of the day I think a lot of what happened to him is purely just down to his pride and wanting his father to be proud of him, which is something quite a lot of people suffer from in real life. I thought he felt like he had to be perfect and work harder so that he could: (1) Make his father proud/love him, and live up to the Emperors perfection, or what he thought were the Emperors expectations. (2) Catch up with the other legions victory rolls as the Emperors Children were the last legion out of the terra gate (so to speak) after all their issues with their geneseed. (There were only 200 or so marines when he met his legion) In a very weird way he almost seemed like a victim of circumstance, I mean if his legion had been ready when he arrived, we could have seen a very different Fulgrim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Baal Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I really like Fulgrim I think he's an interesting character and his novel is one of my faves so far. I'm really looking forward to the Primarchs novel I hope it does develop them alot. I agree though, most of the primarchs do come across as spoilt children, but I kinda like that. Probably due to the fact that they grew from infancy into adulthood so quickly they did not have time to develop and form grounded personalities and were thrown into turbulent worlds in which most achieved great things. Then a father figure turns up, tells them he is the Emperor of mankind, turns their world upside down, enlightens them on the "true " galaxy and tells them who they actually are. He then gives them a legion and tells them to come with him and conquer the Universe. That's got to effect anyone's personality! In some regards I actually feel sorry for some of the fallen Primarchs, they obviously didn't posses the mental architecture needed to handle the role they had been given. The Emperor, their father, didn't care, they were just his tools, a means to his ends, which is basically how he treats everyone really. His "You will do what I tell you, because I tell you to" style takes no account of the feelings, desires and needs of his sons, such as Angron's honour and Lorgar's belief in the power of faith and the need to believe in something greater than himself. And yet his son's loved him. So I think the Emperor treats them appallingly and how he didn't see the HH coming I have no idea. He obviously was never a father to a group of real children or ever tried to really "manage" his group of headstrong, talented, inquisitive egos that he created. Maybe he just thought that they would just do what he told them for long enough to achieve his goals and before chaos got it's claws into them, despite all his bans and rules. With a huge universe as a playground and all the things to discover out there it's hardly surprising such powerful individuals would be tempted to rebel against their dogmatic, arrogant parent that would never truly return their love and devotion. I really hope the upcoming novel delves deeper into these fantastic individuals and perhaps a little of the Emperor too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Yeah i alread y read "Fulgrim" and i really enjoyed it i thought it showed a huge contrast between proud warriors/artists then they fall into these twisted emotion/sensation(pleasure) addicted maniacs. The main reason i made this was because i wanted to see people's thoughts on this extract info i read but i cant find a link anymore.. Fulgrim(Daemon Possessed) defeats a Titan using warp powers... To be honest i am kinda giddy because im hoping that some of the books will start showing the Daemons true power Im also excited to see other stoires about the other Primarchs i wanna read more details about the Khan haha B) Im happy to see that im not the only Fulgrim Fan ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Eidolon being killed also opens the door for Lord Commander Cyrus to come and gain more reputation so i look forward to maybe seeing him show up. Forgot to add that little thought about that little event ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Baal Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Nice one Fallen! They both look really cool. I'll try and find some more out about those two. Looks like it could be a cracking novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3011993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Primarchs_(Anthology) That has got the whole storyline for the Fulgrim short-story. Massive spoilers obviously, but only for the Fulgrim story, it doesnt have the plotlines for the other ones. Read it earlier and it is so good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3012312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Wow how did i miss that?! hahaha :) After reading that i am happy to see Julius is back(love this guy) and im wondering if Fulgrim is really possessed anymore or something like that. I read through that link quickly soo i most likely read that wrong. Anyways I am pretty excited for the book let alone the section about Fulgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3012344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mage 257 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Just read the synopsis for the Fulgrim Novella. One word: Wow. This is going to be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3012829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronKobra Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I am half way through the book. I was at black library live where they had it available for early release... It's awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3012915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mage 257 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I am half way through the book. I was at black library live where they had it available for early release... It's awesome! I know torture is a large part of the story, but there is no need to torture me with this :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3013091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Baal Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Excellent link Perrin! Nice One thanks, the story looks sweet. Ahh such sweet torment IronKobra! :D. I so should have gone to that I live just down the road. Doh! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3013143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I could have sworn the blurb on the website said there was a story about the Night Haunter in there? It now says Alpharius/Omegon... Please tell me I'm not going mad... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3014196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The story about Night Haunter (IIRC it's called Prince of Crows) will be in Shadows of Treachery which will come out in October. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248597-the-primarchs/#findComment-3014725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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