IronDragon66 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 So I love Inquisitor themed BL books, i finished the Inquisitor Wars trilogy awhile ago and was very unimpressed. It started out awesome in book one.....by the time i finished though...ug!!! The plot ended up not making any sense and it felt like the author gave up and just got bored. Now i cant write worth crap so full respect to any author, but still i did not enjoy it at all. - On the good note, I just picked up the Eisnhorn trilogy and it has started out great, I really like the 1st person view. Now dont ruin it for me, but what did the rest of you think of Eisnhorn? - what are everyone elses favorite Inquisitor books? IronDragon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 So I love Inquisitor themed BL books, i finished the Inquisitor Wars trilogy awhile ago and was very unimpressed. It started out awesome in book one.....by the time i finished though...ug!!! The plot ended up not making any sense and it felt like the author gave up and just got bored. Now i cant write worth crap so full respect to any author, but still i did not enjoy it at all. Ian Watson tended to be very hit and miss, in my estimation. Added to that there being some, ahem, questionable scenes (iirc) it kinda means that he's less well received now than he was back then (the Inquisitor Wars were written pre-Black Library). - On the good note, I just picked up the Eisnhorn trilogy and it has started out great, I really like the 1st person view. Now dont ruin it for me, but what did the rest of you think of Eisnhorn? I thought the Eisenhorn trilogy was great - It has characters you'll care about, villains that make you root for their doom and relatively fast paced prose that keeps bringing me back. Well worth reading, imho. - what are everyone elses favorite Inquisitor books? Well, the Ravenor trilogy is a must, especially after reading the Eisenhorn series. It has enough ties to Eisenhorn that you won't mistake it as anything other than a sequal series (with a third promised trilogy yet to be written). Besides that there is our very own Lady_Canoness's Inquisition series here on B&C (in the Short Stories section). Hope this helps. <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDragon66 Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 Cool, - yeah ive heard Ravenor is another very popular one, ill have to pick it up. It actually makes total sense that Inquisitor Wars was pre BL......im guessing that just means that maybe it wasnt reviewed by editors as much ? - I do love the characters, especially the henchmen.....Abbnet just driscibes them so well. He doesnt spend tons of time discribing them, but gives you enough to invision them right next to Eisnhorn.....its like the sidekicks on a good western. IronDragon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Mournival Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Am I the only one who didn't really like Ravenor? Back OT though, Eisenhorn is a must, it is a truly amazing trilogy of books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 - yeah ive heard Ravenor is another very popular one, ill have to pick it up. It actually makes total sense that Inquisitor Wars was pre BL......im guessing that just means that maybe it wasnt reviewed by editors as much ? Well, it was released in 1990 and 40k was even more of a niche hobby then than it is now, so there was slim pickings on the literature front. :confused: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I love Eisenhorn, have read it at least 4 times (my original copy actually wore out as it was read so often by me and my friends, so I went and got a signed copy, and then bought another copy for a friend who I wanted to lend it to but he told me he didn't look after books). Ravenor I dodn't enjoy after reading Eisenhorn, probably because he lacks the same character that makes Eisenhorn so great. After I had a break from Eisenhorn and read Ravenor again I enjoyed it more. I have also just picked up Atlas Infernal (charity shop woot) but haven't even started on it yet, reading the iron warriors omnibus first :confused: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 First off, I'll second everything Olisredan said. Also, while they're not properly Inquisition books, the Ciaphas Cain series features a fair bit of inquisition-related material on account of the main character's close ties with a particular inquisitor. It's a nice source for a bit of an outsider's perspective on the Inquisition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Nobody's going to recommend Emperor's Mercy by Henry Zou? In that case, I will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDragon66 Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 Emperor's Mercy is brand new isnt it? Im still getting the basics down so thats why i havent gotten there yet. - What ultramarine novel was it, Chapters Due? it had some good Grey Knight stuff in it....and the "demon/evil spirit" that they had to fight was a really cool idea. - Im totally cool with discussing any 40k novels that you all like on this post. - What is the basis of the Cain novels? is he an Imperial Guard guy? IronDragon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 - What is the basis of the Cain novels? is he an Imperial Guard guy? Yeah, he's a Commissar in the Imperial Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Its all badly written pulp rubbish. I have no idea, why Dan Abnett is so highly regarded, I find his writing less than mediocre - ultramarine movie anyone? :) It might sound harsh and elitist, but I'm generally a fan of pulp lit, but whats coming out of BL, barely qualifies as fanfic - I'm expecting to see a love triangle between Harry Potter, Horus and Frodo next :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDragon66 Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 wow, that definetley is harsh..... - i mean i know the BL books arent winning any pulitzers anytime soon......but all the "classics", the great books.....those do nothing but put me to sleep, and Ive read a ton of them. - what exactly dont you like about them? is it the plot, characters, etc ???? Theres definetly certain authors and subject matters from the BL that i steer clear of, but that seems like kind of a wide brush stroke that your taking. IronDragon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Mainly, its the mood. Black Library lit have a tendency to describe the whole setting as a means to sell models instead of telling a good story. Its like looking at the artwork from a model box or a codex, its looking all cool and inspiring untill you get to the price tag. Plots are okay - its pulp, you don't expect something mindbogglingly fantastic - characters tend to be a little cliché, but really its the 'price tags' that throw me off. And where is the sex? Pulp needs sex; Conan wouldn't be Conan without scantily clad woman, Eric van Lustbaders ninjas would be just men in silly pyjamas if it weren't for the sex - of course it would have a tendency to be homo-erotic, with all the warrior monks in power armour, but thats okay. Sex is what 'makes you a man', remember whenever some teen boy has come bragging that: , you know he just changed - and sad to say without it male characters tend to be reduced to boys with toys, not good for a genre so high on machismo as 'war stories'. My 10 cents :P - Now, I've mostly read Abnett stuff, but as he is generally regarded as the cream of the crop, I can't find much reason to devote much more of my time the stuff - then you'll just get me started on my Felix and Gotrek rant :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDragon66 Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 LOL, I love the Felix and Gotrek books....dont tell me you hate those to :tu: - You do make a good point though, i have read the conan books and there definetley is a big difference. I guess i have always just taken the BL books for what they are. Yes they are there to further model sales, but why not. They are a nice easy read that keeps me entertained. They will never have the depth of Conan, but i dont expect them to. - I know we have gone off course on this post but, what are eveyone else's fav or worst BL books? why do you like or dislike them? IronDragon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 ultramarine movie anyone? :) I agree, that was utter rubbish, but I don't agree that you say that Abnett is crap because of a muck-up over one film. He has many great books and his style of writing is one I do enjoy. He describes his characters well without going over-the-top and he sets his stories in cool places. I thouroughly enjoyed the parts of the Eisenhorn trilogy that I read (still haven't finished the first novel) and I'm surprised that you say there's a lack of sex. Sure, in Space Marine stories you won't get much, but there are a few allusions to sex, especially in the beginning with Bequin. Also, keep in mind that these books will probably be read by younger people too, so the authors have to keep their books "clean". So, IronDragon, I do thouroughly recommend that you read the Eisenhorn trilogy :tu: And then go and look at this piece of artowrk by Aerion-the-Faithful ;) Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 LOL, I love the Felix and Gotrek books....dont tell me you hate those to ;) Sorreeeeh :tu: Actually.. The only BL book I've read and liked was Genevieve. What it did, was to expand upon the universe in the personal form, where the book medium excels. It didn't need to give cameos to random models just for a little cheesy product placement, instead it conveyed the sense that the warhammer universe was a larger and more vibrant place, than just regiments charging each other - a story the table top game tells much better and more engaging :) @Battle-brother Ludovic. I don't see the relevance of your 'younger audience' comment. Kids have as much right to be told good stories as the rest of us. The sexual element might be a bit sensitive, but we're not talking porn here - barely any descriptive action - and the 12+'ers targeted by GW are already scouring the i-net for naughty pictures, they know what sex is, hushing it down only leads to the kids believing, they're lacking in size, and that women are objects that needs to shut up and take it in the ************. :P BTW: Space marines are probably the most homoerotic literary image out there. Huge, butch, muscly, macho men, focused on dominating lesser men by pounding them with their huuuge 'power swords', while fanatically denying women access to their 'secret clubhouse' :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 @Battle-brother Ludovic. I don't see the relevance of your 'younger audience' comment. Kids have as much right to be told good stories as the rest of us. The sexual element might be a bit sensitive, but we're not talking porn here - barely any descriptive action - and the 12+'ers targeted by GW are already scouring the i-net for naughty pictures, they know what sex is, hushing it down only leads to the kids believing, they're lacking in size, and that women are objects that needs to shut up and take it in the ************. :) BTW: Space marines are probably the most homoerotic literary image out there. Huge, butch, muscly, macho men, focused on dominating lesser men by pounding them with their huuuge 'power swords', while fanatically denying women access to their 'secret clubhouse' :tu: Ah, yes. The Internet and Youngsters. I had forgotten about that. But then again, your view is that kids should know what sex is, but the parents of the said kids may not see it in the same way and I don't think GW would like to have cases on their backs charging them with putting "pornography" (even though it isn't really) in their books that are read by kids. I do agree that sex shouldn't be a hush-hush thing, but there is an age for everything and I personally do not believe that exposing ten/twelve year-old kids to it is a great idea. But then others (like you) disagree. It's all a matter of opinion. Anyway, if you'd like to continue this discussion, we should do it via PM, instead of moving closer to derailing the thread and/or having it melta'd ;) Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Lets just agree to disagree, I only meant to pop in and say that BL is rubbish anyway :) Besides I'm rather ambivalent on the whole kids thing. The whole universe is made of satire and pastiche, which really makes it wasted on ignorant kids -> which in turn leads to dumbing the stuff down -> and then a generation of authors, who didn't get it the first time, but were just fascinated by the huuuge guns. So to sum it up: "I'm just a grumpy old bastard, who's angry cause he doesn't like kids stories anymore" :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 So to sum it up: "I'm just a grumpy old bastard, who's angry cause he doesn't like kids stories anymore" :angry: Don't be that harsh on yourself. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion here. But I agree to disagree :) And cheers for the mini debate, it was interesting. Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 You're welcome. I'm just satisfied that I could call space marines 'gay' in a civil tone - years of playing eldar will have you build up a certain animosity towards the 'manlier' marine players :angry: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 You're welcome. I'm just satisfied that I could call space marines 'gay' in a civil tone - years of playing eldar will have you build up a certain animosity towards the 'manlier' marine players ^_^ Have to admit, all the figurative drooling over a bunch of heavily armed over-muscled men does have certain overtones. While I personally think that the BL has put out some good books along with it's less than stellar material, I also have to agree on the broader subject of "it's just for kids" not being a valid excuse for lazy storytelling. Characters, plot, etc. can all work just fine while keeping the content at a level that's appropriate for younger teens. I think part of the problem is that too many BL books are just there to sell models. I'm pretty sure A-D-B mentioned in one posts here that the bosses at the BL wanted him to make a point of including characters based on the new Grey Knight models doing cool things in one of his stories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I think part of the problem is that too many BL books are just there to sell models. I'm pretty sure A-D-B mentioned in one posts here that the bosses at the BL wanted him to make a point of including characters based on the new Grey Knight models doing cool things in one of his stories. They did. And I said no. It wasn't much: "Any room for a Dreadknight?" "Nope." It's not a general thing they force on anyone. I've been asked once, in five novels. The usual case is quite the opposite. The Studio, Forge World and Black Library are only recently starting to communicate this kind of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Lets just agree to disagree, I only meant to pop in and say that BL is rubbish anyway ;) Besides I'm rather ambivalent on the whole kids thing. The whole universe is made of satire and pastiche, which really makes it wasted on ignorant kids -> which in turn leads to dumbing the stuff down -> and then a generation of authors, who didn't get it the first time, but were just fascinated by the huuuge guns. So to sum it up: "I'm just a grumpy old bastard, who's angry cause he doesn't like kids stories anymore" :D Thank Christ it's not like this massive, outdated generalisation. If it was, it'd be awful. That said, some people do tend to be "writing for kids" in the sense it's just how their style works out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 @ OP: The Grey Knights books by Ben Counter have a bit of Inquisitorial action in them, Ordo Malleus style- the main character works with an Inquisitor for a time and reports to an Inquisitor on a regular basis. As for what in BL to seek out/to avoid, I hear A D-B's work is amazing ;) I also quite enjoy Graham McNeill's writing (Ultramarines Omnibus- even if McNeill views the Codex Astartes as a ridiculously useless thing... And let's not get started on that ;) There's even a bit of Inquisitor action in one of the Ultramarines books.) But Sons of Dorn (I forget the author's name...) is absolute trash. Unless you like transparent plots, tired cliches, and juvenile angst in your Astartes fiction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senseilord Ashahara Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Sandy Mitchell's runs at the Inquisition are damn good too. Innocence Proves Nothing and Scourge The Heretic. Both very funny (if you dig alot of geeky, dry, humour) and are good storys. No real liberties taken with fluff either. Which is nice. So, you know, give 'em a bash. Though, infairness, I've been a Mitchell fanboy since the planet called Simia Orichale. Which is the best 40k joke* ever. And made me wee alittle bit. *important word left out. Blame cold. Damn cold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248603-inquisitor-novels/#findComment-3010752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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