edinburger Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Ok right to the question guys! Does it ever explain why the nightlords started taking the dregs of the criminal element of Nostramo? How did Nostramo fall back into the old ways after the Night Haunter left, Surely the fact that its a Primarchs Home world would mean that there would be a significant amount of Astares stationed there. Just asking as it seems weird that the(vet terran)? astares on the planet would take anything less than A1 Recruits and allow the planet to decend into pre night haunter chaos. Cheers guys Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248604-night-lords-recruitment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Well you're assuming that the Night Lords did something similar to the Dark Amgels and that they left Astartes on their Homeworld. An that the Astartes were in the ruling caste. The Night Haunter dealt with criminals himself which suggests that he didn't trust anyone else to do it and I believe the Index Astartes article on them said that the Administratum took over ruling the planet which meant that the crimes weren't being dealt with as severely. And as the saying goes "When the cat's away the mice will play" so crine started growing again. And any Astartes that were there to pick recruits were more worried about recruiting fighters, not model citizens. And gangers tend to be better fighters than the average law-abiding Imperial citizen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248604-night-lords-recruitment/#findComment-3010247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburger Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 Well you're assuming that the Night Lords did something similar to the Dark Amgels and that they left Astartes on their Homeworld. An that the Astartes were in the ruling caste. The Night Haunter dealt with criminals himself which suggests that he didn't trust anyone else to do it and I believe the Index Astartes article on them said that the Administratum took over ruling the planet which meant that the crimes weren't being dealt with as severely. And as the saying goes "When the cat's away the mice will play" so crine started growing again. And any Astartes that were there to pick recruits were more worried about recruiting fighters, not model citizens. And gangers tend to be better fighters than the average law-abiding Imperial citizen. Well i do assume that as far as i can tell all legions left Training personel and Garrison forces on thier home planet. Also most legions seem to be the ruling caste on thier homeworlds. As far of the Administratum taking over, how much would they really have a say in Astares policy? Wouldnt a Garrison of Astares especially Vetreran Terrans who would be left there to train the recruits be savvy enough to go "5 counts of beat, 6 of murder this guy is going to be untrustworthy as an Astares", its like Joe average gets accepted to be a marine hes gonna be a lot more controlable (and just as well motivated/trained as johnny psycopath?(no pun intended on thier primarch) I also thought that they mostly started taking gangers and criminals after they started the memory wipe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248604-night-lords-recruitment/#findComment-3010261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I don't know if there is any fluff about mindwipe being used Pre-Heresy and actually most of the current fluff seems to make mindwiping a very rare thing. But, Astartes recruitment is much like today's modern recruitment. If there is no record, and you don't admit to it, then no one is ever going to know it happened. So they won't necessarily know about the 5 counts of beat. Especially since the Administratum only locks up the criminals it catches which meant that that many more weren't being caught. And actually the fluff that mentions the Night Lords and their recruiting actually gives the impression that the Night Lords only recruited from Nostramo a handful of times before they basically abandoned it. And then it was during the Heresy where they went back to it, found it the way it was and then literally blew it apart. That is from the Index Astartes article and the Night Lord novels by Aaron Dembski-Bowden and Simon Spurrier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248604-night-lords-recruitment/#findComment-3010288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 You're also assuming that the Terran Night Lords were good guys, which may very well may not be the case. Many of the Legions had many similarities to their 'lost' Primarchs...the War Hounds were already vicious in CQC, the Thousand Sons full of psychics, etc. Wheter this was a genetic tweak due to the gene-seed is unknown, but my point is many legions already like their Fathers, even before they met. There's a good chance the Terran NL's were already 'vigilantes', maybe even recruited from ruined terran underhives. Wouldn't shock me in the least. Another thing to note is that the NL's were already about to be declared rogue prior to the Heresy, because of their excesses, including their sizable minority of Terrans. However it happened, those Night Lords born on the Throneworld have seemed to buy into the Haunter's criminal ethics lock-stock-and-barrel, as not a single 'loyal' NL has been seen yet, nor do I believe we'll see one. Corrupt to the core since birth, and proud of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248604-night-lords-recruitment/#findComment-3010368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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