Kol Saresk Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Now before everyone flips out, yes I know he died on Istvaan III. I also know that on page 346 of Know No Fear, there is mention of a daemon named as "Tarik reborn, he-who-is-now-Tormageddon." Is there anything else that supports a connection between the two? Because that seems like one heck of a coincidence to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 As far as I recall Tarik is mentioned in the second Garro audiobook indirectly and he is very, very dead. Beyond that, I'm out as I haven't read anymore info on him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 That's what I thought. Of course I thought Loken was very dead too. And then I found this. And that is his exact name as it was in the book. Hence my sudden confusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It can be explained by this: The geneseed of the fallen marines on Isstvan III and V was collected and taken to Calth to perform the ritual. That demon was brought into the material world using the progenoid glands taken from Tarik. It was a way to further despoil the loyalists as instead of their geneseed being taken to create new marines it gets used to create more enemies, like how betraying friends is more powerful than betraying those who are allies but not friends. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mage 257 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It can be explained by this: The geneseed of the fallen marines on Isstvan III and V was collected and taken to Calth to perform the ritual. That demon was brought into the material world using the progenoid glands taken from Tarik. It was a way to further despoil the loyalists as instead of their geneseed being taken to create new marines it gets used to create more enemies, like how betraying friends is more powerful than betraying those who are allies but not friends. Thats what I took from Know No Fear, I did notice the name pop up and I did wonder, but with the speeches earlier in the book especially when luciel is killed by Tchure (I think thats his name) , he makes a big speech abouth the greater the depth of betrayal, the greater the power etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I only just now reached 00.00.00 Calth Mark, so I have yet to reach him actually being reborn, but I knew it was going to happen in this book the moment Erebus stroked the jar containing Torgaddon's bits. I knew Torgaddon was going to be resurrected as a Chaos Marine since before they even published the book in which he died. "Chieftain Torgaddon" appears on pg 192 of "The Horus Heresy:Collected Visions" "Torgaddon Horus's Bodyguard" appears on pg 366 of "The Horus Heresy:Collected Visions" He is VERY clearly a Chaos Marine, so his loyalist death was destined to be temporary. I keep tellin' people, "The Horus Heresy:Collected Visions" is the template for how the Horus Heresy series is going, and it even contains the final chapter, but hardly anyone ever seems to listen... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I keep tellin' people, "The Horus Heresy:Collected Visions" is the template for how the Horus Heresy series is going, and it even contains the final chapter, but hardly anyone ever seems to listen... It does provide the basis but character names found in the Visions books have been used in different manners in the novels. Vairosein, for example, is the name of an Emperor's Children Veteran squad in Visions, yet the name of a single character in the novels. The same goes for Kaesoron, if I'm not mistaken, and there are other examples. Just to clear my doubts, though, is Tormageddon a daemon or a chaos marine? And if he's a daemon, does he simply look like Torgaddon's evil twin? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 In Know no Fear it's just a name that is referenced in a list of various demons. There is very little in the way of information if I recall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I keep tellin' people, "The Horus Heresy:Collected Visions" is the template for how the Horus Heresy series is going, and it even contains the final chapter, but hardly anyone ever seems to listen... It does provide the basis but character names found in the Visions books have been used in different manners in the novels. Vairosein, for example, is the name of an Emperor's Children Veteran squad in Visions, yet the name of a single character in the novels. The same goes for Kaesoron, if I'm not mistaken, and there are other examples. Just to clear my doubts, though, is Tormageddon a daemon or a chaos marine? And if he's a daemon, does he simply look like Torgaddon's evil twin? Well, it does seem to be common practice to name a squad after their leader amongst the Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Well, it does seem to be common practice to name a squad after their leader amongst the Astartes. Aye, that's true in some instances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 Just to clear my doubts, though, is Tormageddon a daemon or a chaos marine? And if he's a daemon, does he simply look like Torgaddon's evil twin? If it is him, he is a daemon now because there was this list of daemons Erebus was just throwing out there and there just happened to be one that was listed exactly as "Tarik reborn, he-who-is-now-Tormageddon." And frankly it just seemed like one heck of a coincidence for his gene-seed to get used and there be a daemon who has a name exactly like that. They even had Samus make a return and he was a daemonfrom Horus Rising who was killed by Loken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3013792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Pet hate: Resurrected dead people because it supposedly adds to the story. Dead is dead, please stay that way dammit! /nerdrant Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Tarik is dead, he was killed on Isstvan III. Progenoid glands more properly represent the genetic legacy of the Primarch than the marine it comes from. Loken however, he should have stayed dead. He was the best character at the start of the series and him "dying" really gave punch to the betrayal. Having him survive lessens things. I might believe Helveticus survived, but not Loken. Tarik reborn is not Tarik, the name is a joke, it's a deliberate insult to the real Tarik and all the loyalists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Loken however, he should have stayed dead. I'm rounding up three hundred women of questionable virtue and sending them too you, for seeing sense amidst the stupidity of that idea. Kudos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazak1920 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I didn't read "Know no Fear" yet, but... If that is true, and Tarik Torgaddon will apear in future as deamon or CSM , then I will be very pissed of. Srsly, why loyalist fans have to receive such punch in the face? If he is dead - live him dead, for Gods sake. I hope that this is only a "curio". But if not... Then I want Horus Aximand back as loyalist. Sorry for my bad english and regards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I get the feeling that Tarik as a deamon, is due to the Oath he and the Mournival took when they joined. When lil Horus killed him, it violated a couple of the parts of the Oath. He might have been cursed. That same Oath is why i think Lil Horus is hearing Loken breathing in his head. Loken lived, and i think he is haunting ( in life), Lil Horus from across the galaxy. Maybe it has to do with the fact he joined the lodge. I don't see how Erebus got a hold of Tarik's Gene seed. I thought Loken was guarding his body... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 What's so wrong about a daemon being summoned from Torgaddon's bits? It's not exactly a comeback. If he returns as a CSM, now that's reason for rioting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 Maybe they will turn it into something like the Newborn except it's a daemon who has taken his identity as part of the progenoids they took. And Lil' Horus lost his chane at loyalty when he reconciled with Loken haunting him. I actually thought that was a nice bit until I found out he was alive. He used to be one of my favorite characters but somehow resurrecting him lessened my view o him. Don't really know why. And naming a daemon after Tarik isn't much of an insult to the Loyalists. The only Loyalists who knew he was loyal are either dead or Grey Knights. None of them were at Calth. Now of they pull this "he was loyal until he died where he exchanged oaths of loyalty for survival" nonsense then I would have really big problem. Of course it could just be something to miss with the readers. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 What's so wrong about a daemon being summoned from Torgaddon's bits? It makes little-to-no sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Keyaetus Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I think it'd be cool if the reborn Torgaddon was more like a really warped astartes, or something like a 'shell' (torgaddons reborn body), being a house for the demon itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Without knowing the daemon's appearance, and whether it occupies or consumes Tarik's remains, it's kind of hard, but since it seems there's no more Tarik in there, either solution is fine with me. As Kol Saresk says, I'll get worried once they make him a late-minute traitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 What's so wrong about a daemon being summoned from Torgaddon's bits? It makes little-to-no sense. Well, that's 40k. It quite often doesn't make sense. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 If it made sense then it wouldn't be Chaos. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 What's so wrong about a daemon being summoned from Torgaddon's bits? It makes little-to-no sense. Good. If it made sense, chaos would be boring. Insanity and disbelief makes the Warp what it is, and such a lethal threat to the entire galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 What's so wrong about a daemon being summoned from Torgaddon's bits? It makes little-to-no sense. Well, that's 40k. It quite often doesn't make sense. :D But in the context of things we know about the way stuff operates in 30/40k - gods that was bloody vague - it makes even less sense! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/248853-tarik-torgaddon/#findComment-3014561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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