TXTOASTRMASAKR Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Hello Brothers, just finished this guy recently and thought I'd share him :) on a side note, I don't really like Helbrecht's model, it just seems silly to me, also Combi-Meltas are kind of an eye sore if not positioned right and there isn't very many places out there aside from GT's and maybe the hardcore clubs, that implement WYSIWYG. I decided to make the model a bit more simple-looking, so just to avoid any confusion this model is NOT helbrecht, just a counts-as for gameplay sake :) http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g330/TXTOASTRMASAKR/NewMarshal1.jpg http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g330/TXTOASTRMASAKR/NewMarshal2.jpg http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g330/TXTOASTRMASAKR/NewMarshal3.jpg http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g330/TXTOASTRMASAKR/NewMarshal4.jpg http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g330/TXTOASTRMASAKR/NewMarshal5.jpg http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g330/TXTOASTRMASAKR/NewMarshal6.jpg Just added for the 1 use Melta part of the combi-melta http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g330/TXTOASTRMASAKR/NewMarshal7.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItchyTasty Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I agree whole heartedly that the Helbritch model is ... trash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3016801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I'm no particualr fan of the helbrecht model, and your model is outstanding, truely, but I wouldn't allow it to stand for Helbrect in a million years. There is no Combi-Melta and his sword is nowhere NEAR the Holiest sword in the imperium.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal bobo Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I like the Helbrect model, prefer it to the EC model, i always make my own Champion. your model is pretty good. by the way, keep it up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisb7 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I'm no particualr fan of the helbrecht model, and your model is outstanding, truely, but I wouldn't allow it to stand for Helbrect in a million years. There is no Combi-Melta and his sword is nowhere NEAR the Holiest sword in the imperium.... If you notice in the OP, he says its NOT Helbrecht, just a representation for game purposes. As for WYSIWYG, if he adds a melta barrel on the bolter, he is done. In a friendly game, there is no problem at all. No need to be "your sword isn't cool enough to be THAT sword" about it. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I did read it :D Still Needs a Combi-Melta and a cooler sword o.o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK1 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 shouldncget a greyknight grand sword and put thaycn there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK1 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I have waqnted to get some bits aqns make a black temp champ with a nfwsword, on his back, but have him jumpin through a pannelxof glass, superman punching acmilk man in the head, sorry,,,drinkin a liddle too much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisb7 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 sorry,,,drinkin a liddle too much Noted. ;) On a side note, having an Emperor's Champion diving sword-first into a Squiggoth's mouth to destroy it from the inside would be really cool... You can always add the Melta barrel around the bolter barrel. I don't think too many people would be alright with using a meltabomb as a "counts as," since you can put them in other units as well. Maybe paint some lightning on the blade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXTOASTRMASAKR Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 I did read it :) Still Needs a Combi-Melta and a cooler sword o.o uh...no...Combi Melta=eye sore. Also, practically no one holds WYSIWYG that strongly except in major tourneys, or hardcore clubs. Personally i think WYISWYG is a bit of a creative barrier that I find ridiculous and find people foolish for implementing. Also the idea of a "Cooler Sword" is a totally matter of opinion. I find this sword if effective enough. As mentioned I am in no way trying make a Helbrecht, I just like the D3 extra attacks he gets I don't think too many people would be alright with using a meltabomb as a "counts as," since you can put them in other units as well. Maybe paint some lightning on the blade? I disagree, the idea being he "Throws the meltabomb" is totally acceptable, unless the person I'm playing is uptight and has no imagination. Also there's actually a red/orange hue about the blade but the camera didn't capture it :( But I did have thought of lightning. I just don't want it to look like a jumbled mess on the blade though if I screw up, but I'll take that advice. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Templar 307th Comp. Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I agree whole heartedly that the Helbritch model is ... trash. I happen to think Helbrecht is 90% of a good model. If I ever buy him, I'm gonna rip his head off and put a crusader help on him. But I have had ideas of modeling him myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eberious Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Personally i think WYISWYG is a bit of a creative barrier that I find ridiculous and find people foolish for implementing. Or, foolish of those who are lazy at being creative and don't custom build certain weapons to fit or make those standard weapons fit <_< . You offend me good sir, being a wysiwyg'er and all. I suppose it comes down to how much you are into the hobby or the gaming side of things. That said I wouldnt have any probs playing against models such as yours, sword check, bolter check, melta technolgy check, something to make him stand out from others check. Just point him out as Helbrecht and its game time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
civsmitty Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Chapterhouse combi-melta. The sword is fine. WYSIWYG is THE rule. I, like most players, will hold you to it (I ignore it for extra armor, krak, and frag grenades. Meltabombs better be on there). A melta and a meltabomb do different things in different ways, with the same end result. It's not farfetched to think that someone would throw a meltabomb, but you slap it on the tank with your hand to make damn sure it gets where you want it. If you put down that model and told me it was Helbrecht, I would tell you, "That's nice, but you've got no Combi-Melta. Nice Marshal, though." Finally, from a fluff aspect, High Marshal Helbrecht is the Chapter Master of the Emperor's favorite Chapter; give him his proper wargear and respect. I've got a custom built Lysander and Khan, and I made sure they had the proper wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I have imagination, but rules are rules for a reason, if nothing else, I'm at a disadvantage because I had to buy a Helbrecht model and you didn't y'see, and on a visual basis, I won't register im as 'Helbrecht' nor will I visually register 'That bolter is actually a combi-melta' it's a disadvantage at best and outright unfair at worst. The guys cool, he's awesome, he's painted exceptioanlly, but he's not Helbrect. You can't have it both ways, if you want his rules, you use his model, or something that is damn close. I could accuse you for your lack of imagination concerning modification of the actual model to suit your desires. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXTOASTRMASAKR Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 @Eberious Yes I apologize, I guess I was a bit harsh; The way YOU and only YOU are explaining is EXACTLY what I meant when I was showing this model. He has the the right "types", thats what I believe should count. Your method of WYSIWYG is the kind I like. Forgive me if I sounded a bit aggresive. Look people, all I wanted was feedback on the MODEL, but all I've been getting is practically "That's no Helbrecht". These debates should even be happening. Is It good looking? What would you Improve? CC is always welcome. That's actually all I wanted :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasPanzerIstUber Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Great work! The main observation I have is that the model is asymmetrical, leaning heavily towards the side with the sword. I guess I'm borderline OCD like that. :P I personally would try to find another arm for the bolter to give him a more open stance. Alternatively I would seperate the torso from the legs and twist it so that the sword is more behind him giving a dynamic charging pose. But those are just my opinions, it's still a cool model you should be proud! EDIT: Forgot to mention the nice alternating colours for the cross on the right shoulderpad. :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXTOASTRMASAKR Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 Great work! The main observation I have is that the model is asymmetrical, leaning heavily towards the side with the sword. I guess I'm borderline OCD like that. :P I personally would try to find another arm for the bolter to give him a more open stance. Alternatively I would seperate the torso from the legs and twist it so that the sword is more behind him giving a dynamic charging pose. But those are just my opinions, it's still a cool model you should be proud! EDIT: Forgot to mention the nice alternating colours for the cross on the right shoulderpad. :blush: Ah blast, yeah I thought that was one issue I would see, I also go that "heavy" feel on his sword arm. I can see what you mean for the charge pose, I did the best I could but the tabard stops it at a point cause it hits the legs. :( Right now I'm currently thinking of doing orange lightning for the sword but my free hand skills only go so far :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eberious Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 No worries, :blush: So for direct feedback on the model itself. I drill out the gun barrels on my stuff, makes it look better than the flat end and maybe a dark brown/black wash on the red crusader seals, that will make them standout a little more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
civsmitty Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Look people, all I wanted was feedback on the MODEL, but all I've been getting is practically "That's no Helbrecht". These debates should even be happening. Is It good looking? What would you Improve? CC is always welcome. That's actually all I wanted :/ Except you're asking us to judge a "counts-as" Helbrecht; therefore, the majority of people on here ARE going to look at the model in comparison to Helbrecht's rules and fluff. Sorry, but that's the way it goes. If you wanted commentary on your modeling/painting skill, then you should have posted this in the PCA section; I was under the impression that you wanted your model evaluated as a stand-in for Helbrecht, and commented as such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 What really confuses me is that it isn't Helbrecht, but it is... That aside, the model looks fine but far too plain even as a *hiss* Counts-As for a character like the High Marshal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3017959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXTOASTRMASAKR Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 After much thought, and few paint schemes I've decided to just get the Helbrecht model and rip his head off and replace it with a Helmet. So now I'll use this one as a standard marshal, but what else could I do for him, I already have a second HQ with a Jump Pack. What do you guys do with extra HQ models? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3018072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisb7 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I really do like the model. I think the "THAT IS NO HIGH MARSHAL!" debate is silly. For the melta bomb thrown as a "counts as," maybe add a chain or some kind of modified handle, anything to make it look notably different than a regular melta bomb. For the sword, you could add a sheathe across his back or at his side. Can't really tell if there is enough room for it. One thing that always helps a command model stand out is a unique base. Maybe have him standing on a high rock, etc. As for the "canon" model, I hate the squished head look. I also think a two-handed sword for the high marshal would look great... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3018087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasPanzerIstUber Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 What do you guys do with extra HQ models? :huh: Hehe I actually use mine in apoc as a counts-as Helbrecht... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3018197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think the "THAT IS NO HIGH MARSHAL!" debate is silly. Why? The High Marshall should be a unique charcter and whilst our esteemed Brother has delivered a nice looking mini, it doesn't scream "High Marshal" in the way it should. It's his choice, obviously, but it's incredibly insulting to describe the opinions of others in this way. What do you guys do with extra HQ models? :huh: Hehe I actually use mine in apoc as a counts-as Helbrecht... :) Like stick four Marshals together in a unit and say "Together they possess the required Awesome to be Helbrecht!" ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3018204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastellanDeMolay Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think the "THAT IS NO HIGH MARSHAL!" debate is silly. Why? The High Marshall should be a unique charcter and whilst our esteemed Brother has delivered a nice looking mini, it doesn't scream "High Marshal" in the way it should. It's his choice, obviously, but it's incredibly insulting to describe the opinions of others in this way. What do you guys do with extra HQ models? :huh: Hehe I actually use mine in apoc as a counts-as Helbrecht... :) Like stick four Marshals together in a unit and say "Together they possess the required Awesome to be Helbrecht!" ;) FIRE! STEEL! ANGER! ZEAL! HATE! By your powers combined; I AM HIGH MARSHALL HELBRECHT!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249083-black-templar-marshal/#findComment-3018211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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