Watey Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Can the chapter master be a dreadnought?? Im tryin to fit my dreadnought into my white scars successor chapter but can't find a good enough reason why anyone related to the white scars would have a dreadnought.. Unless it is their 1st chapter master encased in the dreadnought because he is needed for his wisdom and knowledge of everything the chapter is and is too valuable for the chapter to be without... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Iirc the Violaters are led by a dreadnought and the Iron Hands have a council that's got dreadnoughts with which it is commanded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3016872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 IMO, just because they'd follow the tenets and tactics of the White Scars, doesn't mean their culture has blended all that well with the scars... Maybe to the marines who were originally raised on your world, in the end, don't see dreads and the whole "encasing one's soul inside a steel box" all that horrific? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3016880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watey Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 Thanks for the quick reply and info, I guess there is only going to be 1 chapter master in my chapter thanks to a steel metal case with arms and legs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3016891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 This question has come up before, and the main issue with having a dreadnought in any commanding role (for Loyalists anyway) is that they need to spend a lot of time 'asleep' in stasis, and they can be forgetful, irritable, confused and very different to how they were before their internment. I would have a dreadnought as an advisor rather than the actual chapter master, maybe the first that remains to advise the future leaders of the Chapter? ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3016922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCopy Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Iirc the Violaters are led by a dreadnought and the Iron Hands have a council that's got dreadnoughts with which it is commanded. The Violators are a chaos-following renegade chapter flying under the banner of Slaanesh. As for Loyalist, Iron Hands is pretty much it as far as commanding characters in Dreadnoughts. Each Clan Company has an over-all leader on the chapter council. Some of those clan-company leaders are Dreadnoughts. You could easily explain the whole "sleep" stasis thing. Maybe he sleeps for specific periods of time as some sort of "time for contemplation", where he leaves other important command staff (Librarian, Chaplain, etc) in charge until needed. Just like Odin. You could easily do a play on the whole Odin/Thor/Loki characters & story out of the Thor comics for your chapter background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3018007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Iirc the Violaters are led by a dreadnought and the Iron Hands have a council that's got dreadnoughts with which it is commanded. The Violators are a chaos-following renegade chapter flying under the banner of Slaanesh. Indeed they are. I don't think it invalidates the example, though. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3018025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Or you could just say he doesn't sleep, as far as I'm aware the whole sleep thing comes from the idea that there isn't much for a dreadnought to do between combat (tho I think it may also have been the result of less informed GW staffers turning Bjorns special case into a generalisation?) - a chapter master on the other hand has plenty of things to do between battles. From Horus Rising (Iacton Qruze 'the half heard') we know that marines mental faculties can diminish with simple age, I find it hard to believe the great administrator Guilliman would not have included checks and balances so that marines of failing mental capacity can be relieved of their position - given that I don't really see why marines should not be able to remain in their position for some time after interment before their age begins to take its toll, rather than having a blanket "okay you're a dreadnought now, byebye rank". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3018027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCopy Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Indeed they are. I don't think it invalidates the example, though. :P I had merely presumed he was looking for loyalist examples, nothing more. :) Continuing the conversation... Everything I've read, the cannon has implied heavily that, under typical circumstances, Dreadnoughts are allowed to sleep because they start to go crazy if they don't. That's one of the couple reasons why Chaos Dreadnoughts are psychotic. They are kept awake constantly and tortured while the mechanical systems are turned off (so they don't kill the torturers). Wakefulness to a Dreadnought is sort of like a quasi dream-state -- they are not entirely "awake" the the conventional sense. They drift from consciousness to that semi-dream state of memories constantly. Dreadnoughts are quasi-living legends. In a way, a chapter could (hypothetically) revere a dreadnought as a representation or embodiment of the Emperor, as they live in a similar manner to him -- entombed by technology and kept in a state of quasi-life. I think it is entirely conceivable for a chapter master to be a dreadnought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3018047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watey Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 There are some good points and it IS going to be the chapter master and is going to be in stasis until advice is needed from the librarians and company leaders.... Thanks for the great amount of input from u guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3018288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 You could just have the chapter council lead them if you felt the need to go the route of a slumbering chapter master dreadnought. To be honest though there is nothing to say that the chapter master wouldn't get the best and most advanced dreadnought armour that chapter has if this was the case and you wouldn't need to worry about him dozing off now and then. ;) Personally I like the idea of a chapter maintaining it's master in the sarcophagus of a dreadnought, waking him only for battle and important decisions that the captains can't agree on. Gives it a very dark gothic sort of feel. Best way to use one in game is to use the Space Wolves codex and use a Bjorn counts as. His profile and special rules would be perfect for this and he's a HQ unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3018740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCopy Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Best way to use one in game is to use the Space Wolves codex and use a Bjorn counts as. His profile and special rules would be perfect for this and he's a HQ unit. Seconded. As a side note, tThat's something I had been considering for my Iron Hands as well for when I wanted to run a Dread as a command character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3019122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watey Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 I don't have to use the Bjorn model do I? As long as it has similar weaponry as Bjorn it can still use the same rules can't it? What's the difference between a venerable dreadnought and a normal?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3019523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The Blood Swords Chapter Master is interred inside of a Dreadnought. So it's been done before, no reason to hold you back. Link: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Swords Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3019585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Can the chapter master be a dreadnought??Im tryin to fit my dreadnought into my white scars successor chapter but can't find a good enough reason why anyone related to the white scars would have a dreadnought.. Unless it is their 1st chapter master encased in the dreadnought because he is needed for his wisdom and knowledge of everything the chapter is and is too valuable for the chapter to be without... The Marauders, a White Scars successor have been shown by Forge World in their Imperial Armour vol 2 to have a Dreadnought. I wouldn't worry too much about including one, although personally, I wouldn't have him as the actual chapter master, merely a former one, as an advisor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249100-dreadnought-chapter-master/#findComment-3019656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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