Ragnar + wolf standard rules Question

[Maximus-92]

So I regularly run Ragnar in a raider with grey hunters using a wolf standard. When i roll the D3 for ragnars special charge bonus while using the standard may i re-roll a d6 result of both a 1 and 2? Genarlly at my gaming club i do run it this way, the logic being that i'm actually using a D6 to represent a D3 and so a roll of a 2 technically counts as a 1.

 

Do actual D3 dice exist? how would that even work?

 

While this works fine at the club, i'm looking for a somewhat more concrete ruling before i head of to a tournament next weekend.

[Khine]

The rules for wolf standard state " For the duration of the next assault phase, all models in that unit may re-roll any dice rolls of a 1."

 

If you roll a d6 as a d3 for the purposes of the Ragnar's rule and you get a 1 or 2, it still counts as a 1 for the purposes of seeing how many attacks you get. So yes it would translate to being able to reroll that dice granted you popped the banner for that round.

[dswanick]

I say yes, for the same reason you can't re-roll a Leadership test when either of the two dice comes up a one -

"Q. Does a Wolf Standard allow Leadership test results to be re-rolled? (p62)

A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 – when making a 2D6 result you must count both dice as a single roll, not address them individually." - Codex: Space Wolves FAQ

By the same logic, it is impossible to roll a '4' on a d3, but two of the six faces are rolling a '1' (the ones marked 1 & 2), and therefore trigger the re-roll.

[Tybrus]

Honestly I find the idea disturbing and makes me think that someone trying to pull this on me in a game (Or terni) is the same guy that last marine codex gave his scout Sargent termi armor (because the rules don't say I can't). I find people like this, and who defend this type of gaming to be the lowest class of gamer, and not ones I would chose to play with. It is people doing this kind of thing that has led to the dumbing down of the game, and removal of options (Wargear) completely. I wish for once, someone would read a rule and just say "Well it says reroll ones, I guess that means just ones".

 

The simple truth is that gaming is a social contract between people to ensure that BOTH sides have fun....Those that forget that and focus on what rule they can "bend", "Warp", "RAW" or any other word you want for cheat, there way into thinking "winning is more important" should sell their stuff on ebay and remove themselves from the gene pool.

[Max_Dammit]

Honestly I find the idea disturbing and makes me think that someone trying to pull this on me in a game (Or terni) is the same guy that last marine codex gave his scout Sargent termi armor (because the rules don't say I can't). I find people like this, and who defend this type of gaming to be the lowest class of gamer, and not ones I would chose to play with. It is people doing this kind of thing that has led to the dumbing down of the game, and removal of options (Wargear) completely. I wish for once, someone would read a rule and just say "Well it says reroll ones, I guess that means just ones".

 

The simple truth is that gaming is a social contract between people to ensure that BOTH sides have fun....Those that forget that and focus on what rule they can "bend", "Warp", "RAW" or any other word you want for cheat, there way into thinking "winning is more important" should sell their stuff on ebay and remove themselves from the gene pool.

 

So your saying that if i have to role a D3 that i dont have and i role a 1 i can rerole but if i role a 2 i cant even though it counts as a one?

And what if someone does have a D3, that there is no problem?

[Logan230]

Honestly I find the idea disturbing and makes me think that someone trying to pull this on me in a game (Or terni) is the same guy that last marine codex gave his scout Sargent termi armor (because the rules don't say I can't). I find people like this, and who defend this type of gaming to be the lowest class of gamer, and not ones I would chose to play with. It is people doing this kind of thing that has led to the dumbing down of the game, and removal of options (Wargear) completely. I wish for once, someone would read a rule and just say "Well it says reroll ones, I guess that means just ones".

 

The simple truth is that gaming is a social contract between people to ensure that BOTH sides have fun....Those that forget that and focus on what rule they can "bend", "Warp", "RAW" or any other word you want for cheat, there way into thinking "winning is more important" should sell their stuff on ebay and remove themselves from the gene pool.

 

And while we appreciate opinions here at the Aett, this comment was harsh, and extremely rude, and uncalled for. He raised an interesting point that does not come up often enough. I happen to agree with him, because logically his idea has merit. I would want to check in on the rules for D3, but at first glance, it seems ok.

 

In my humble opinion, maybe you should return to the Phalanx where that attitude might be tolerated.

[Wulfebane]

I wish for once, someone would read a rule and just say "Well it says reroll ones, I guess that means just ones".

 

When rolling a D6 as a nominated D3, rolling a 2 is considered a 1. Its fact and accepted as a common rule in every game hall that doesn't keep a D3 in-house. The same would be true if you rolled a 1-4 on a D12 or any dice denomination divisible by 3. The D3 is perhaps the least common die owned by gamers solely for the fact that it is accepted practice to use a regular D6.

 

If you wanna conduct yourself like that during games, I wouldn't expect to find many people willing to play with you. I can't imagine they'd enjoy the experience.

[Valerian]

OP,

 

You are doing it right. A Wolf Standard allows you to reroll all 1's, not just all 1's on a d6. They actually do make d3's, which you can find with a Google search; typically they are six-sided die, with the number 1 on two of the faces, the number 2 on two of the faces, and the number 3 on two of the faces.

 

Whether you have one of these d3, or just use a d6 to simulate a d3 by declaring a result of either the 1 or 2 face as a roll of 1, you can redo it when a Wolf Standard is active.

 

 

Tybrus,

 

I understand your frustration with someone trying to pull a fast one, but this is simply the right way to play it.

 

Valerian

[AnvilofFenris]

I would say you're spot on. When using a d6 to make a d3 roll, generally speaking 1/2=1, 3/4=2, 5/6=3. So if you get a 1 or 2, go for the re-roll!

[Maximus-92]

Thanks guys (well, atleast most of you). I had suspected i was doing it right but i think ill bring it up with tournament organiser before going ahead.

 

P.s. I entirley intend to remain in the gene pool...

[Wolf Lord Ranulf Wulfric]

"Do actual D3 dice exist? how would that even work?"

 

Yes they do ( I am a sad old D&D player)

I think you can still get them, but no idea where from.

[dswanick]

"Do actual D3 dice exist? how would that even work?"

 

Yes they do ( I am a sad old D&D player)

I think you can still get them, but no idea where from.

Hey, just because we're old, and we played D&D doesn't make us 'sad'. Unless you're unhappy about something. :)

Anyway -

www.chessex.com

www.nobleknight.com

www.gamescience.com

 

It's usually a cube numbered 1 thru 3 twice, although I've had a dodecahedron (12 sided) numbered 1 thru 3 on faces colored red, yellow, blue, and green (don't remember where I picked that one up).

[Spacefrisian]

So a 2 becomes a 1, man i wished that for every 1 euro i have i can just count them as 2 instead.

[Blacksad]

there's also the pyramid-ish shaped ones, where the corners have been rounded down. side vieuw would be /\-ish, slightly deeper than they are wide, with the top having both left and right the number that has been rolled, like with many D4's.

[MalachiOfRuss]

That's interesting. I initially would have said "no" - but in looking at the Rulebook regarding D3's it does say that you roll a d6 and treat a 1 or 2 as if it had rolled 1. I think that works. That means that Ragnar with a Standard gives you a very good chance of getting at least +2 attacks per model on the charge. I'm going to have to try that out.

[JamesI]

That's interesting. I initially would have said "no" - but in looking at the Rulebook regarding D3's it does say that you roll a d6 and treat a 1 or 2 as if it had rolled 1. I think that works. That means that Ragnar with a Standard gives you a very good chance of getting at least +2 attacks per model on the charge. I'm going to have to try that out.

My instinct was the same, saying it didn't work on a d3.

 

But the rule doesn't say reroll d6 rolls of 1, does it? Just rolls of 1. So, a d3 should get the same reroll on a 1 or a 2 (because as pointed out its makes no sense to give the full reroll to someone with a d3, while only allowing it to someone using a d6 to get it 50% less).

[Marshal Wilhelm]

My instinct was the same, saying it didn't work on a d3.

 

But the rule doesn't say reroll d6 rolls of 1, does it? Just rolls of 1. So, a d3 should get the same reroll on a 1 or a 2 (because as pointed out its makes no sense to give the full reroll to someone with a d3, while only allowing it to someone using a d6 to get it 50% less).

 

I think you mean "because as pointed out its makes no sense to give the full reroll to someone with a d6, while only allowing it to someone using a d3 to get it 50% less often than they should"

 

as in, a d6 rolls a one 1/6th of the time,

a d3 will roll a one 1/3rd of the time,

BUT if people say when using a d6 as a d3, that only one is a '1' for re-rolls, but a roll of a two which is in effect a '1', but doesn't count as a one, then the d3 is only rolling a one 1/6th of the time.

 

Or have I misunderstood? :D

;)

[Khine]

My instinct was the same, saying it didn't work on a d3.

 

But the rule doesn't say reroll d6 rolls of 1, does it? Just rolls of 1. So, a d3 should get the same reroll on a 1 or a 2 (because as pointed out its makes no sense to give the full reroll to someone with a d3, while only allowing it to someone using a d6 to get it 50% less).

 

I think you mean "because as pointed out its makes no sense to give the full reroll to someone with a d6, while only allowing it to someone using a d3 to get it 50% less often than they should"

 

as in, a d6 rolls a one 1/6th of the time,

a d3 will roll a one 1/3rd of the time,

BUT if people say when using a d6 as a d3, that only one is a '1' for re-rolls, but a roll of a two which is in effect a '1', but doesn't count as a one, then the d3 is only rolling a one 1/6th of the time.

 

Or have I misunderstood? :wacko:

:P

 

What he said was right.

He means that if you roll a d3 and a d6. count them both as D3 die but only allow the faces with ones on them to count as ones and roll them both six times. the D3 has an effective 2/6 chance of triggering a re-roll and the D6 only has a 1/6 chance of triggering that same re-roll.

He says that is illogical and that to make the D6 have the comparable ratio of triggering the re-roll as the D3, that you need to allow the "2" face on the D6 as a re-roll when re-rolling the D6 as a d3.

 

-nods- .. i think i got that right ..

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Okay, I see how he is describing it.

 

His explanation was the same coin, different sides.

 

Cool.