Captain Idaho Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 I think they have few similarities really. The Sensei are supposedly anti-authoritarian and don't have emotions related to the Warp. We haven't seen that at all and they don't seem to operate as rogues but rather like a loose organisation. They also appear to have emotions just like anyone else. Though could be based upon them loosely, but I think they are a new fabrication more than Sensei. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3034949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Cognoscynths are more akin to Sensei. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3034963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 I thought the cognoscynths were just plus-alpha level psykers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3034979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 I checked back and they don't resemble at all it seems. They are both immune to perils of warp and don't have the humane limitations that plague even Grey Knights. That's all for resemblence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3034981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Scourge Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I have a completely unfounded out of left field theory that Grammitcus and Olly are going to tie into The Sigilite somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3039778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 If the explanation is that there are a stack of "Immortals" running around, then I can definitely see the Sigilite being one of their number. That said, my personal theory is that the Sigilite is an avatar of/projection by the Emperor - a pure creation by the Emperor, a carved off piece of his intellect and power that operates as a quasi-independent extension of his will. He is the bad cop to the Emperor's good cop, the curtain the wizard of Oz hides behind when it suits him, the manipulative politician who let's the Emperor keep himself removed from much of that mess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3039834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 If the explanation is that there are a stack of "Immortals" running around, then I can definitely see the Sigilite being one of their number. That said, my personal theory is that the Sigilite is an avatar of/projection by the Emperor - a pure creation by the Emperor, a carved off piece of his intellect and power that operates as a quasi-independent extension of his will. He is the bad cop to the Emperor's good cop, the curtain the wizard of Oz hides behind when it suits him, the manipulative politician who let's the Emperor keep himself removed from much of that mess. . . . that's an excellent idea and something I had never thought of before. Hmmmmm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3040042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 It's an interesting assertion, not one that I would have come to, but food for thought, certainly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3040044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 Wouldn't Magnus or another warp-sensitive Primarch noticed something was up? Lorgar knows Fulgrim is possessed as soon as he sees him, surely if Malcador was a projection of the Emperor then their minds/presence would be similar, if not the same? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3040195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 If the explanation is that there are a stack of "Immortals" running around, then I can definitely see the Sigilite being one of their number. That said, my personal theory is that the Sigilite is an avatar of/projection by the Emperor - a pure creation by the Emperor, a carved off piece of his intellect and power that operates as a quasi-independent extension of his will. He is the bad cop to the Emperor's good cop, the curtain the wizard of Oz hides behind when it suits him, the manipulative politician who let's the Emperor keep himself removed from much of that mess. that is an crazy/awesome theory...i like it. @perrin: maybe the scale of the Emperor's power is simply beyond those of the primarchs... WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3040202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 It doesn't mesh with The Emperor and Malcador's relationship. Especially not Malcador's death. The Emperor was sad at Malcador's death and proclaimed him a hero and his sacrifice to be the greatest of their age. Malcador was no mere shadow of The Emperor, no tool. More likely that they were immortal friends, or even brothers. I adhere to this theory: It is theorized by some that Malcador The Sigilite is actually one of The Emperor's brothers who survived by his side since their birth in 8000 BC. Sort of like all of the shamans reincarnated into the form of The Emperor.....except THAT guy, who showed up late to the party or something and reincarnated as his brother and inherited an "aftershock" of his brother's powers. With his new brother's help, the shaman who was born into the body of Malcador managed to survive nearly 40,000 years and became in IMMENSELY powerful psyker in the meantime. This logic continues on to postulate that The Emperor was King Arthur, and Malcador was Merlin, and so on and so forth with every lord/hero/leader and his wizard/sage/philosopher/scientist companion. While The Emperor hid his godlike nature and experimented with creating the perfect way to rule mankind, Malcador would've been testing Mankind's approach to the supernatural, and provoking their urge to invent and discover and learn. Herein would lie the idea that The Emperor would've been Lorenzo de' Medici with Malcador taking the role of Leonardo da Vinci, during the Renaissance. That sort of thing. Always a dynamic duo of mighty dude(leader, king, emperor, dictator, president, warlord, hero, nobleman, god, demi-god, angel, etc) and studious dude (scientist, scholar, philosopher, adviser, wizard, tactician, inventor, artist, oracle, shaman, prophet, etc) living through human history and nudging mankind around and trying to see what works best to lead humanity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3040231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I'm not disagreeing with you, and it's just a half-formed idea, but under the "shadow" theory, the Emperor's sadness could still be real (I mean, in that case it was a part of himself who died) as well as making those comments for show. Also, when the did the Emperor actually say that? During his interment into the Golden Throne? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3040281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I'm not disagreeing with you, and it's just a half-formed idea, but under the "shadow" theory, the Emperor's sadness could still be real (I mean, in that case it was a part of himself who died) as well as making those comments for show. Also, when the did the Emperor actually say that? During his interment into the Golden Throne? As Malcador was unplugged from the Throne he used the last of his power to briefly revive The Emperor so that he could give his final instructions to Dorn, Khan and the others in attendance. The first thing The Emperor did was briefly mourn the loss of Malcador and praise his sacrifice, then said that his wounds were worse than he feared and that while his psychic might would soon return his body would probably never heal, he then gave his sons his final instructions for the future of mankind, the Imperium, and the eradication of the traitors...and then spoke no more. Really not a "just doing things for show" sort of moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3040586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Unless he wanted to ensure that the initiatives Malcador had been closely associated with - the Council of Terra, the Imperial Tithe, a 'civilian' control over the Legiones Astartes, weren't casually overturned now that both he and Malcador were dead, given many of them had been ... ahem, controversial even when Malcador and the Emperor were active to champion them. Making sure that Malcador was recognised as a hero who had sacrificed himself for the Emperor and the Imperium might have been necessary to ensure his 'legacy' was respected. Again, just a bit of speculation - I don't subscribe to the "Emperor was a monster/idiot/self-aggrandising tyrant" school of thought, but even so, he was undeniably a being with an enormous capacity for cold, long-sighted manipulation of people in even the most difficult of circumstances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3041591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I don't subscribe to the "Emperor was a monster/idiot/self-aggrandising tyrant" school of thought, Good, cuz there's really nothing to support any of that nonsense. but even so, he was undeniably a being with an enormous capacity for cold, long-sighted manipulation of people in even the most difficult of circumstances. True enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3042069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 It's all a matter of guilt: How would you live with yourself if you knew by avoiding a difficult sacrifice you condem untold billions, even trillions, of your species to extinction and suffering? When you consider life from such a view, I think the Emperor wasn't cold at all, just very responsible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3042482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I think that Malcador is as said either the Emperor's brother or his one true son, and that they've taken it in turns to guide humanity through the ages, the Emperor as the Warlord and Malcador as the Administrator, taking their turns as it suits the needs, and that Malcador WOULD have taken over, aided by Guilliman when the Great Crusade was finished, while the Emperor continued to concentrate on projects like the webway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3044071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chowda Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I just finished KNF and thought it was awesome, one of my favorite HH books. However, two things irked my about this Oll cat and they were: 1.) His yarn didn't have much to do with the battle except to describe it from his POV and set up something for later on. 2.) He had a vision of the climax of the HH exactly how it's supposed to happen. Why can't these things be presented incorrectly or maybe how they are "supposed to happen" at that point in time before actions in the books cause a change in fate? If it is all just fated, it's anticlimactic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3049408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Well here's the thing, in a series, everything has to be presented at a specific point. And I doubt that it is going to happen exactly as described. Although technically, the entire Heresy is already fated to happen a certain way. BL is just fleshing out the details. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3049469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 I think that Malcador is as said either the Emperor's brother or his one true son, and that they've taken it in turns to guide humanity through the ages, the Emperor as the Warlord and Malcador as the Administrator, taking their turns as it suits the needs, and that Malcador WOULD have taken over, aided by Guilliman when the Great Crusade was finished, while the Emperor continued to concentrate on projects like the webway. It's been written he might be part of the Big E's "family" ie he's either one of his brothers, cousins or he's related to him and the Big E is older than him by x amount of years. We'll soon have something concrete with an audio on how they met etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249282-ollanius-pius-john-grammaticus/page/2/#findComment-3055233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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