rpnightsend Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 So I'm not 100% sure this belongs here so if it doesn't would a mod kindly move it? Anyways, I tried out the Deathwing Redemption Force in an apocalypse game yesterday and it worked wonders. I took 3 squads + Belial, dropped them on the IC they were supposed to kill, who was also standing near an objective and held both objectives with them. I was wondering if any of my fellow DA players have tried it out and how its worked for them? I mostly fielded it because I didn't have enough models for a Deathknell Strike Force. If you had the models would you field that or a Deathknell? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I use it in Apocolypse when I bust out 6 Deathwing squads. It's very, very good fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3019391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Um...what's a deathknell, and what's a redemption...I assume they're APOC formations, but since I don't play APOC...it sounds interesting, though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3019504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Deathwing Redemption force is in Apocolypse Reloaded. The force can be led by Belial or a Terminator Libby and is 3+ Deathwing squads. You pick an enemy independent character before the game (secretly). If you kill that character, it instantly becomes a game objective that can be claimed in the usual way. If you tell anyone else (including your own side) before the character is killed, Belial and all Deathwing squads leave the field immediately. The jig is up, as it were. The rules are this; in the first turn, you place Belial or the Libby via deep strike and scatter as usual. All Deathwing squads in the formation immediately deep strike within 6 inches of belial or the libby with no scatter. Presumably, you can join Belial to a squad and deep strike that squad first, rather than the character on their own. The formation doesn't say about other TDA armoured characters (like Chaplains, or a Libby if Belial is also present) joining the squads in the formation, so that's a "clear with your opponent" issue. It's 100 points plus models. Deathknell formation is something to do with terminators and dreads. I know nothing about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3019518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehoel Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Deathknell Orbital Strike Force is also from Apocolypse Reloaded. 5+ terminator squads and 1+ Dreadnoughts w/ Drop Pods You place a marker, roll for drift as per deep strike. The marker is the focus of an Orbital Bombardment and after that the terminators and drop podded dreadnoughts arrive near the marker with no drift. Combining Deathknell with a Redemption force is a nasty one-two punch to the face. Saw a guy do it with Deathwing not long after Reloaded released. Smashed the opposing side fast and ugly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3019564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGumbo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'm aiming for a base DW force that will allow me to field both formations ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3019820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnightsend Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Unfortunately I'm about 7 terminator models short of the Deathknell, but I'm interested in trying it because I always inevitably end up with Guard or Space Wolves in Apocalypse, so I always end up being the Deep-Striking/Counter-Attack part of the army, using stuff like this and Shrike's Talons. So which do you guys think is more useful? (As a side note, riddles, only the Deathwing Redemption force can claim the IC they kill) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3019916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehoel Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 If I had to chose one or the other, I would have to go with the Deathknell. The Redemption force is a focused knife strike that needs something else to support it. The Deathknell is a bomb followed by multiple blades. Deathknells can stand alone, though they are so much more powerful when supported of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnightsend Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yes, but (playing devil's advocate) the addition of an extra objective only you can claim and the fact that your opponent has to mow through terminators to deny you it is kind of a big deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Mowing through terminators in apocolypse isn't that difficult. after the drop you're in a perfect formation for a big ol template smash Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Just out of curiosity, which book is the Deathwing Redemption Force in? A local shop is hosting an Apocolypse event where each player can bring either a 1500 point force or a 500 point 'strike force' (that fights for a side but has a very specific objective.) I'm thinking of taking a Redemption force as my 1500. I figure that it'll be fluffy and the low point value means that there won't be much template smash going on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGumbo Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 It's in Apocalypse Reloaded. I think it's 180pts plus models (Termy character plus 3+ termy squads) and I'm fairly sure that the character can be Belial, Librarian or Int-Chaplain (despite what's been said up-thread). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Deathknell sounds fun...combine that with a Thawk-full-o termies (including titanhammer unit(s)) and a fleet of land raiders (including some LRTUs), and you're set :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yes you may use a Belial counts as or either a Librarian or Interrogator-Chaplain in TDA as the "focus point" for the Deathwing Redemption Force. I was planning on using the Redemption force in one apocalypse game, but the game got scrapped due to people dropping out. I was going to use my Libby for the initial deep strike, then have my Captain and Chaplain join other squads and drop in with the rest of the units. I have enough units built to use both formations, but still need to paint 2 more Deathwing squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbenner Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I had never seen these before. They make me love terminators even more. Me thinks that a Lucius Pattern Drop Pod with an Interrogator Chaplain Dreadnought would be amazing in a Deathknell drop. I am seriously doing that now. I have 7+ Deathwing Squads now and my MotDW, Interrogator Chaplain, and my Librarian. Wont be long till I can do this. I seriously love these formations. Best, Paul Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnightsend Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Glad to have enlightened you brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoonKin Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Field a small squadron of RW bikes if you are running a redemption force. If not, you should go for a deathknell force instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249317-deathwing-redemption-force/#findComment-3020791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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