YoungWolf7 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 This project has been on and off for over two years now. I've posted a few models down in the DA forum, but most of those pics are out of date. Long story short, I'm hoping to actually start painting this summer while school is half time. As I've posted in my blog, I've come down to 4 options. I'm seeking input as to which way I should go from the broadest base of PA fans that I know of: the B&C. The chapter is based (loosely) on the Punisher character from Marvel comics. I have a backstory in my head, but it's not in electronic format yet. The Punishing Angels are a DA successor chapter that were created when the original legion was split up, so they've been around a long time. Unlike many other chapters though, they don't keep relics and antique armor, only the latest and greatest weapons and equipment are utilized to wage war in the Emperor's name. The only exception to this is the "knightly" style helmets (Mark 2 IIRC) that veterans are honored with to remember their origins on Caliban. In case you are unaware of what the Punisher looks like, here are a few pics I've gathered: "Classic" Punisher http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Punisher3-300x287.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Punisher-1-300x204.jpg "Modern" Punisher http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Punisher-Evolved1-248x300.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Punisher-Evolved2-196x300.jpg "Alternate" Punisher http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/detail-195x300.jpg So here are the schemes I've created based on the above (and other) images. "Classic" Punisher scheme http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBare.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBolter.jpg Alternate "Classic" Punisher scheme http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBareAlt.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBolterAlt.jpg "Modern" Punisher scheme http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_MutedBare.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_MutedBolter.jpg "Alternate" Punisher scheme (very similar to Star Phantoms, which I love) http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_PhantomBare.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_PhantomBolter.jpg (All colors are based on actual P3 paint values.) Some things to consider: The main symbol of the Punisher is the huge skull on the chest A bolter/meltagun/etc. covers up far more of the chest than the chapter painter shows I did consider moving the skull to the loincloth, but that also tends to get covered up on the actual model. I'm printing custom decals, so I'm not worried about freehanding the skull on an entire company/chapter, but I do want it to be immediately visible and distinctive. I'm looking for input and feedback. Help me decide the livery of my chapter brothers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 must say a brilliant idea and character to base them on :unsure: also I'd suggest 'Classic' for the rank & file, then go for Alternate 'Classic' for the higher ranking units :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Yesssssssss I say go for modern. If you get bored of all that black, use some cameo green for webbing and such. Also, don't forget that you can put skulls on helmets, too. Also, name your chapter master Fransisco Castille. Or Franko Kassle. I could go on, but I will spare you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungWolf7 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 Thanks for the comments. Russ Brother 92: I was wondering about that idea as well. It would help mark the vets beyond the different helmets and robes with or without hoods. Void_Dragon: I was leaning towards Francis Castille or Castellan myself. ;) All PA helmets will have the iron skull on them. I'll have to add them to the Mk.2 helms, but that's the least of my worries right now. I've used GK Paladin helmets for sergeants and officers in the Deathwing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 An awesome idea, but honestly, scratch the shoulder icons, paint the skulls directly onto their torsos and onto their helmets. Go for the first scheme imo too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungWolf7 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 MeatGrinder: I'll do a mock-up of what the skull looks like painted on the chest. I don't think it will work, but you never know until you try. I'm not sure how I could paint the skull on the helmet small enough to still be recognizable? I'm not using traditional unit markings (command, assault, tactical, etc.) so the shoulders would be very plain without something on there. I'm using terminator honors pads for sergeants and above on the (model's) left shoulder, which is why the chapter symbol is on the right. The Deathwing all are getting sculpted (green stuff cast) skull pads so having it on the smae shoulder for the power armor troops only makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Hi. I am a psychotic Punisher fanatic. I own two trunks full of Punisher comics, five of them signed, and counting. Due to your project, you are now my personal hero. :) Ok, seriously though, I like where this idea is going, and I'd encourage you to keep going with it. Personally, I'd say either the 'modern' or 'classic' schemes would be best, as both are very striking. Mentality-wise, I'd say go with the Max Comics (modern) Punisher mentality, which shows the darker, yet purer, version of Frank's idea of natural justice. Also, I'd suggest to keep the 'new tech' equipment down a few notches, and ensure that your Marines are more focused on bringing their form of justice to the galaxy, not just running around looking like 'Geardos', or worse yet, tau. After all, Frank Castle doesn't care if he kills a crook with a Barret .50, a Colt 1911, or a shard of glass, as long as the job gets done, and the filth knows why he's dying. As for the skull on the face plate... It's totally doable, and still recognizable. (My own personal ode to the Punisher, I just thought he made an better Night Lord, lol) Hell, take it a step further, and paint the Skull only on the faceplate. That'd be unique, and perfectly scary. I'll be watching this thread very, very closely.... ;) :lol: Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asrech Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Love the consept, and I agree with the statement of going with the classic for rank'n'file marines, then using different variations for vets, devs, assault troops. That way it becomes less boring for you to paint as you get to switch it up a little, easier to keep track of on the field, and will also look truly epic. Can't wait for more! (And the chapter master needs a big stormshield with The Skull painted on it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungWolf7 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 1000heathens: I see now. It might be interesting on a Mk.7 helmet. I have to play with that and see how it goes. As for the gear, it's mostly my personal preference. I don't like any mark of armor other than 7. I loathe beakie helmets. :P So, adding it to the fluff only made sense to me. But you are right, as long as the guilty are punished, the tool doesn't matter. ;) Asrech: funny you should say that. I'm currently retrofitting my TH/SS Deathwing with the large Chaos Warrior shields (with the 8 point star filed off of course) to give a nice large surface for the skull. Thanks for the input all. Keep it coming please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
araekyus Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I say stick with the classic Punisher scheme :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungWolf7 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Having fiddled about in Photoshop today I may have this dialed in. http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBare2.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBolter2.jpg Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behir Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The scheme seems really nice. I'd like to see it painted on a miniature ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Props to you for paying homage to my favorite comic book character of all time! :) I'd definitely stick to the classic look IMO. The addition of the face skull on the helmets is a must IMO as well. Will definitely be watching this thread! Good luck brother! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'd love to see a photoshop mock-up on the alternate schemes ;) but on that they look terrifying haha - good luck brother :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungWolf7 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 I had to switch the skull to black on the white helmets and it just didn't look as good. I'll do them up again and post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Yes. Yes, yes, yes. The scheme looks perfect, can't wait to see your test mini, man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungWolf7 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Mockups completed for all 4 versions. The Modern is growing on me with this change. "Classic" Punisher scheme http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBare2.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBolter2.jpg Alternate "Classic" Punisher scheme http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBareAlt2.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_ClassicBolterAlt2.jpg "Modern" Punisher scheme http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_MutedBare2.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_MutedBolter2.jpg "Alternate" Punisher scheme http://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_PhantomBare2.jpghttp://youngwolf7.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/spacemarine_PhantomBolter2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuNCHBiZZLe Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I had a 10th company painted similar (all black with white trim and white skulls on helmets and faces) looked really menacing on the tabletop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asrech Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'll say use the schemes you have now, in that order, for tacs, sergeants, devs, assault troops. Then come up with another one for veterans (van/stern). This army will be EPIC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'd say still go with the classic look. The white skull against the black areas really make the scheme pop out at you, and creates a focus on the faceplate, which of course is what you want your foe to stare at as his death comes for him, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Very cool concepts so far :D You do realize though that you are going to have a hard time making your chaplains stand out, but don't worry about that now, baby steps ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Dude, it's an army of friggin' Punishers! Who the hell needs a Chaplain?!? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'd say still go with the classic look. The white skull against the black areas really make the scheme pop out at you, and creates a focus on the faceplate, which of course is what you want your foe to stare at as his death comes for him, lol. Agreed. Hard to beat the classic look. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungWolf7 Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 I am a fan of chaplains. Must be the skull faceplates. :D Looks like the classic look is the favorite. Now I need to figure out how to adapt this scheme to terminator armor. Thanks for all of the feedback. It's greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundz Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 what is the visored head of the blue punisher marine posted above from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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