ThePope Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 So Games Workshop have officially released the new paint colours and it seems that Dark Angels Green and Orkhide Shade are now the same colour in the new base form under the guise Caliban Green. http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...onversion_Chart This got me thinking how will this effect my current painting methods, and with the addition of the new greens http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...otCatGameStyle= I was wondering if there will be much better options now for blending on top of the Caliban green base rather than my old method of moving up through DA green with more and more snot green added, plus the added option of the new shades (washes) and the new Glazes (same as old glazes I guess) So I was just wondering what my fellow unforgiven's opinion was on this and what your plans are (if at all your plans have changed) for the new set of colours when painting your Dark Angels, or do you feel (if you use GW paints exclusively) that the change of range will not really effect your painting at all. **Edit** I forgot to add with the official 40k paint box being a lot clearer than the leaked images it does indeed look like the snap fit marines have molded DA pads on them http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2310625a_99170199011_40KPaintSet_873x627.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Rage Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Hey Abit disappointing I think, I mean what was wrong with the old paints and why does GW feel the need to change the colours of paints people may have been using for decades, I have been painting on and off for about 5 years and have noticed them taking away and removing paints that people didnt seem to use. This is probably why I acually have to go to other sellers for GW paints. On the subject of paints whats with all the changes to the pots there getting smaller and smaller I think. :P Read the PDF about them and it seems they are trying to keep the shades of colour similar but like I said before do they really need to be changed and sorry if it looks as thought I am ranting on its just I really dont see the need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMK0377 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I will be picking up some of the new paints as needed. It looks like half the paints are just the old ones with new names. Since I already have a few sizeable armies fully painted, including a Dark Angels army, I won't really be changing up how I paint them. If I start a new army, I will certainly take advantage of the new palette of colors. It really gives you the option of going from mild to wild. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I'm not a big fan of some of these names. Some seem a little vague, but I guess I will get used to it. As for combining DA green and Orkhide shade, that does somewhat change things for me. The current DA green always seemed more shiny while the Orkhide was a flat base coat color. When I painted my marines, I used Orkhide as the base and brushed over it with DA green just to give it that sheen. Suppose the difference is very small though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Kinda off-topic, but, those snap-fit marines with DA symbols bode well for the DAs in starter box rumours.... Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePope Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 I'm not a big fan of some of these names. Some seem a little vague, but I guess I will get used to it. As for combining DA green and Orkhide shade, that does somewhat change things for me. The current DA green always seemed more shiny while the Orkhide was a flat base coat color. When I painted my marines, I used Orkhide as the base and brushed over it with DA green just to give it that sheen. Suppose the difference is very small though. It's exactly what I did EPK and I totally agree with you, I am really intrigued as to what colour this new Caliban green will come out like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Luckily I have a big DA green supply... or it would be awkward to have half the army with a different tone. That said I use mostly Vallejo except for the DA green that is GW so any change will not affect me much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Ive stuck to Vallejo paints and i aint going back.At least till GW decides to place theirs in dropper bottles.I had enough of drying paints.IMHO they had a huge chance to fix this issue and they blew it. Now as to the DA concerns:Are we becoming poster boys now?I was comfortable into the shadows.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Looking at those models more closely–yes they are snap fit but aren't those pads the old metal DA ones? You can tell because they are slightly smaller and a different proportion to the current standard plastic ones we have now. Could be wrong. Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Looking at those models more closely–yes they are snap fit but aren't those pads the old metal DA ones? You can tell because they are slightly smaller and a different proportion to the current standard plastic ones we have now. Could be wrong. Cheers I Damn Isiah,were you a sniper in the army?What eyes have you to notice that?Bionics right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I don't think they are the same. Look closely at the position of the sword's hilt relative to the wings. Regardless, some work has been done to produce a mould for snap-fit marines with Dark Angels chapter badges. I doubt GW would go to that expense simply for a paint set. I think we'll see these models in another box in the coming months. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Good point, then yes they have been made for the 6th Ed starter box ;). Although starter box Imperial Marines are [usually] non-Chapter specific to encourage a wide base of gamers into the game. But who knows – the whole thing is a bit of a puzzler. Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Even the Tactical symbol is raised, I don't own any snapfit models but I assume that is new too? I'm loving us becoming the poster boys, it'll help grimdark the game again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Having played with Caliban Green at my GW today I can say this, if you paint your minis straight up Dark Angels green they aren't going to match.... :-( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Hey Abit disappointing I think, I mean what was wrong with the old paints and why does GW feel the need to change the colours of paints people may have been using for decades, I have been painting on and off for about 5 years and have noticed them taking away and removing paints that people didnt seem to use. This is probably why I acually have to go to other sellers for GW paints. On the subject of paints whats with all the changes to the pots there getting smaller and smaller I think. :) Read the PDF about them and it seems they are trying to keep the shades of colour similar but like I said before do they really need to be changed and sorry if it looks as thought I am ranting on its just I really dont see the need. Contracts, IP and various other issues led to GW changing their paint line. Probably for the better (though not for the pocket book). Far more colors to help folks with layering now and while the formulation is different many colors will probably look pretty much the same. So far no one who has seen the paints has reported smaller bottles than the most recent set. As for "using for decades" GW colors have changed numerous times since 40k hit in 88. Salamander Green for example would later become Dark Angel green and be a different formulation as GW switched providers for their paint. This has happened before. Will probably happen again unless GW ever gets around to producing their paints in house. You are also getting double the colors with the new set. 145 vs. the 75 or so that are out now. Still crazy expensive mind you. I'm not a big fan of some of these names. Some seem a little vague, but I guess I will get used to it. As for combining DA green and Orkhide shade, that does somewhat change things for me. The current DA green always seemed more shiny while the Orkhide was a flat base coat color. When I painted my marines, I used Orkhide as the base and brushed over it with DA green just to give it that sheen. Suppose the difference is very small though. Word is that the name changes are in part an IP blanket for GW. Ive stuck to Vallejo paints and i aint going back.At least till GW decides to place theirs in dropper bottles.I had enough of drying paints.IMHO they had a huge chance to fix this issue and they blew it. Now as to the DA concerns:Are we becoming poster boys now?I was comfortable into the shadows.... I'm no fan of the current GW pots but Vallejo (and the Reaper/P3 dropper bottles for that matter) are just as terrible at keeping paint for long periods of time. At least the GW ones you can salvage a little easier. My personal favorites are the Iron Wind/Ral Partha bottles: http://ironwindmetals.com/store/images/pai...ries/77-732.jpg http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_in...roducts_id=2070 They hold .75 ounces of paint (3-4 GW bottles). I have paints nearly 15 years old still going strong and they only require occasional mixing (using this - http://www.micromark.com/cordless-mixer-fo...ints,7616.html) in the IW/RP bottles. I went through 300 bottles of paint this last weekend to give em a good mixing and check for dead'uns. Had 16 casualties in all. 2 IW bottles, 4 GW bottles and the rest were all Vallejo/Reaper dropper bottles. None of the Vallejo/Reaper stuff was older than 4 years so that was disappointing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I am going to have to agree with Kurgan, seeing as I also have some Ral Partha/Horizon paints in front of me literally right now. They are still good, and, like Kurgan's, they are more than 15 years old. They are just great paint bottles, well designed, hold a good amount of paint, and you can still unscrew the lids without the aid of a wrench if they are fouled with paint. Basically, they are everything that one would want in a paint bottle. The miniatures in the new paint set are new miniatures, with embossed Dark Angels style Tactical markings and Chapter symbols, albeit they are based on the previous snap fit marines that came in the Assault on Black Reach paint set. I hope they ere bit better than those though, as the shoulder pads on the previous ones were a bit squished front-to-back (i.e. the shoulder pad is not as wide as a separate plastic shoulder pad bit). Anybody who has them should know what I mean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I'm no fan of the current GW pots but Vallejo (and the Reaper/P3 dropper bottles for that matter) are just as terrible at keeping paint for long periods of time. At least the GW ones you can salvage a little easier. I have never had that kind of problem with Vallejo(or even GWs when i placed them in bottles but must i do that too?),let me remind you that keeping paints in a good state is as much a skill as is painting with them.If you leave both open while you paint then you are asking for it.The dropper bottle in itself minimizes the airflow in the paint because the hole is tiny compared to the Gw ones thus the lifespan is greater.There is no paint that will live for a thousand years no matter the container.Also you control the amount of paint and dont spend half the bottle needlessly. Probably there are other paints that are better out there but:We are speaking for a hobby here and not on a professional level.There are better brands that cost twice as much and a far better job,granted but for the cost,quality and benefits i lean towards Vallejo and i aint going back.I tried GWs for years and when i tested the others i felt like ive been ripped off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I'm no fan of the current GW pots but Vallejo (and the Reaper/P3 dropper bottles for that matter) are just as terrible at keeping paint for long periods of time. At least the GW ones you can salvage a little easier. I have never had that kind of problem with Vallejo(or even GWs when i placed them in bottles but must i do that too?),let me remind you that keeping paints in a good state is as much a skill as is painting with them.If you leave both open while you paint then you are asking for it.The dropper bottle in itself minimizes the airflow in the paint because the hole is tiny compared to the Gw ones thus the lifespan is greater.There is no paint that will live for a thousand years no matter the container.Also you control the amount of paint and dont spend half the bottle needlessly. Yes and I have been painting for 20+ years so I know all about keeping paints going in various types of bottles. One can easily use a wet pallete, eye dropper from the pharmacy and Ral Partha style bottles and it all winds up being cheaper than Vallejo in the long term. Vallejo has good high pigment count in their bottles but their bottles DO dry out unreasonably fast, even with lids on them. The droppers get clogged rather easily too. Mind you this isn't just a Vallejo issue. Reaper Master, P3 and other brands of paint that have used these styles of bottles (outfit out of Oz did some years back and I can't recall their name) and they all have the same issue. Reaper tries to alleviate this by having an agitator in the bottles which helps some but isn't really a game changer. EDIT: Aha! Here is the Oz outfit, they no longer make the paint but you can see the bottles: http://www.derivan.com.au/derivan-products/minis.html Probably there are other paints that are better out there but:We are speaking for a hobby here and not on a professional level.There are better brands that cost twice as much and a far better job,granted but for the cost,quality and benefits i lean towards Vallejo and i aint going back.I tried GWs for years and when i tested the others i felt like ive been ripped off. Here is the funny thing about that. GW paint (particularly this prior iteration) was actually quite good quality wise. Windsor and Newton were the suppliers. The issue was the stupid bolter style pots followed up by the modified flip tops. You could never get a proper seal once you opened it the first time and that led to the paint drying out. The nice thing about those Ral Partha bottles is they seal tight every time (plus hold gobs of paint). GW Metallics are still widely hailed as some of the best on the market (we'll have to see if these new formulations are good). GW should have kept the original bottles from the "Space Marine Paint set" and others at that time period. Still have some of those bottles with paint fresh as the day it was poured. Not sure if the container issue was part of the contract with the supplier at the time or not. Coat D'Arms has all those paints/bottles currently and they still hold up well. A short lived mini company called NITRO used those old style bottles to and they held up well, though their color selection was very limited. Quality of the paint though is something I wasn't disputing. Bottle type is what I was discussing. I find Vallejo to be very good both in pigment count and overall # of colors and would love to have a larger stock (all poured into RP bottles). I'm glad GW is expanding their line but until I see in person I don't know that I will move them up the ladder. If I had my choice though I would love to see the full Ral Partha line come back. Huge # of colors, great pigment count (though still somewhat lower than Vallejo) and exceptional bottles. It was reasonably priced as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3023958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I still have paints from second edition 40k which are still liquid (not the coverage of later paints but still) and the screw top GW bottles dry up too fast. I haven't used much of their later flip top paints, but the few I have used have been okay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3024156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMK0377 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I got a chance to play around with some of the new paints today. To echo what has already been said, the Caliban Green is a different shade than Dark Angels Green and Orkhide Shade. Also, Mechrite Red is gone, since Mephiston Red is very different. The new green wash is the same as the thraka green wash. It seems like it will be 50/50 as to whether the old paints will match the new ones. I think the best paint I played around with by far was the new base(foundation) white. I painted a primed black space marine with one coat!! He looked like a star wars storm trooper with no streaking or chunkiness! I was highly impressed with it, and if I didnt already have 30 terminators painted in a bone color, I would be painting a white deathwing army!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3024174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Hmmm interesting comments on the Caliban Green and the white. How does the new Ushabti Bone compare with Bleached Bone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3024178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 That is too bad, as I really liked the current Dark Angels Green. It had a sort of dark, Mallard Duck Green look to it, and a vibrant character to it that one usually only sees in cadmium paints. The Vallejo Game Color equivalent doesn't have quite the same character. I will miss it; least of all because I am in the middle of painting various Dark Angels Green units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3024179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arioch Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Dark angels green was my favorite colour- damn. Nice to hear about the white foundation getting better though, I need that for my deathwing <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3024430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Avoghai Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 It won't affect my painting that muche since I use the Angel green can from army painter for ALL my DA... Except my vets... So I will maybe get some additional pots for that purpose but that's all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3024461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePope Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 Is the Caliban Green leaning more towards the orkhide shade flat colour or more towards the DA Green "shine" ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249569-new-paints-new-takes-on-dark-angels/#findComment-3024498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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