New paints new takes on Dark Angels.

[Komodo]

I think caliban = da green. So getting foundation paint for us is awesome.

[Gillyfish]

Hmm, I'm in two minds on this. On one hand, GW have improved the quality of their paints of late and maybe this would take that further. On the other hand, this is going to cause a headache for to experiment and see if I can get an equivalent to the paint effects that I currently have.

 

The old DA green had quite a nice sheen and depth to it, even if coverage wasn't that great. I'm not too fond of Orkhide shade as it's quite matte. So I'm hoping I can find the right combination of colours.

[Brother Nihm]

While it may not help with the new paints,

To get around the matte effect of Orkhide,

 

Spray black/grey.

Basecoat with Orkhide.

Layer: 50:50 mix of DA Green and Snot green, leave Orkhide showing in the recesses.

Wash with devlan mud.

Highlights = 50:50 mix of DA Green and Snot green, increasing the amount of snot green depending on taste and desired successive layers.

 

It has worked for me and yields a warm dark green.

[risK]

Has anyone checked out the video for the new paints yet? http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wn...id=2000048-gws The Ravenwing Bikers seem to be converted or maybe we have a glance at new miniatures. If so, the box would be kinda based of the old Ravenwing Squadron, maybe recut and some new bits added. Can anyone who has the actual Ravenwing Bikers box take a closer look and confirm or deny it? As I based my snowmobiles on the old bikes.

[TMK0377]

As far as Caliban Green goes, I think its closer to Orkhide Shade than DA Green. They only had 14 pots available to play around with at my local GW. I also wanted to mention a new format of GW paint they are making called "Dry." They are supposedly made to be idiot-proof drybrush paints. Its a total scam. The one I tested was just a mostly dried up bottle of Boltgun Metal. So now if you buy a pot of this "dry" paint, instead of it drying out in three months like the usual GW paints, it will dry out in a month. Stay away from the dry paints.

[risK]

OK, seems to be only some conversion work. But the look feels right and fitting for RW

[bevulf]

I am not into the new range. I've heard that lots of people tried out the caliban green this weekend and it definietely is not our Dark Angels Green. high time to restock the green while its still available.

[Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra]

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If this means that GW is pulling us into Codex: Space Marines and dropping everything but the colours that make us unique, I shall be livid with rage.

[dark jobo]

Hi chaps, acording to a GW source, the colours in the Layer range SHOULD be the same as the old colours,( Bone and the like ) only the plastic pigment has been changed. The Base range is just a thicker compound it cover better, same as the old foundation range. The Shade and Glaze ranges are a new carrier medium, not just WATERED down as i have heard, hence the Lahmiam pot, this is the medium used.

 

I personaly don't agree with GW policy to keep changing rule, figure and paint ranges every couple of years, pure commerce as fare as i can see, and i have OLD 20ml pots that are 20 years old and still good, now we are down to 12ml, why ? To make you buy more often ?

 

OK, rant over, sorry

 

dark jobo

[Interrogator Stobz]

...livid with rage.

What colour is Livid? :)

Colour me not suprised if it does happen :)

Jobo: me too, RT paints ftw. I'm sure of conspiracies in the land of GW, they seem to want my money, grrr :)

 

stobz

[Diavlo]

Disclaimer: for the record, the following is not an idea, a wish, a dream, a desire, or in anyway any form of indorsement, willing or unwilling, conscious or subconscious. I state this in case any form of being, known or unknown, with any sort of influence over these matter, regardless of how slight, were to become, in any form, fashion, or way, aware of this post and its contents, or any quoting of said post, in any way, form, or fashion, in past, present, or future.

 

If this means that GW is pulling us into Codex: Space Marines and dropping everything but the colours that make us unique, I shall be livid with rage.

 

This is what I'm afraid of. We have 3 different options:

1.

We get paint set with DA's then Starter box DA vs CSM. Then Chaos get's new codex and then new SM codex comes out with Dark Angels included in it.

 

2.

We get new dex along with the Starter box etc new models and all that good stuff.

 

3.

We get starter set with CSM and have no new codex, but with new rulebook our old dex will have a second youth.

 

When it comes to paints, looking at charts I see a lot of green shades there, so maybe it won't be that bad.

I'm not going to stock dark angels green. I hope I won't regret that

 

For the Lion!

[skink]

My thoughts, bearing in mind I'm am an inexperienced painter, is that 'in pot' Caliban Green is completely (I literally can't stress this enough) different to DA Green. I like DA Green for it's depth; even 'in pot' you can see this. Caliban Green is pleasant still, but looks really flat and is much more khaki than DA. Please note this is 'in pot'; I haven't seen it 'on mini'.

 

My GW only had one DA Green left; I bought it immediately.

 

My advice is that if you are concerned about the difference, get to a store and have a look; mine had loads of the new paints and a bunch of minis to test them on.

[ThePope]

Painting guide has been posted on the GW website, http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...atId=cat820002a

 

Here is their new DA method.

 

Basecoat - Caliban Green,

 

Wash - Biel-tan Green,

 

Layer - Warpstone Glow, Moot Green,

 

Drybrush - Underhive Ash,

 

Glaze - Waywatcher Green

 

The dry brush bit has me going oO as I'm not sure why it's needed (bar for them to sell moar paints in that "pack")

[EPK]

Yes, this Underhive ash drybrush is odd... and it's after you highlight with warpstone glow and moot green - seems like it has the potential to cover of your previous lines. Maybe as sort of a extreme highlight? I think I would just layer it on sparingly, not drybrush.

[aledonati]

I am very surprised the choice of gw to include in the kit of painting the DA .... the Ultramarines have always been their symbol, I think something revolutionary.

[Brother dean]

Not really... To quote The Dude over on Warseer:

 

As to the different editions, we've had:

 

RT/1st Ed

Rulebook - Crimson Fists

 

2nd Ed

Box & Codex Imperialis art - Blood Angels

Rear box mini photos - Blood Angels

Rulebook - Crimson Fists

Wargear - Blood Angels

 

3rd Edition

Box & Rulebook art - Black Templars

Rear box mini photos - Black Templars

 

4th Edition

Battle for Mcragge box art - Ultramarines

Rear box mini photos - Ultramarines

 

5th Edition

Assault on Black Reach box art - Ultramarines

Rear box mini photos - Ultramarines

 

So Ultramarines have 2 editions in a row front and centre, but Fists BAs and Templars have all had the spotlight too. Not to mention Space Wolves were the first standalone Codex.

 

For the "generic" Marine Codices, we've had:

 

2nd Edition - Actually named "Codex: Ultramarines"

 

3rd Edition - Crimson Fists

 

4th Edition - Ultramarines

 

5th Edition - Ultramarines

 

So Ultramarines certainly appear most often as the typical bulk standard Marine, but again, this goes back to them being established from the very beginning as the epitome of "Codex adherant" chapters.

[Alys Dwr]

I've been a bit worried after noticing the lack of DA green in the new paints; but warpstone has caught my eye.

 

From the recipe GW have provided us, i get the feeling the warpstone isn't a highlight but used to develop the primary colour for DA. Whilst Caliban green may not be DA green, Caliban followed by a coat of warpstone could *potentially* prove a decent substitute for DA green. On it's own, warpstone will probably be too bright, but applied thinly over a darker base it might just manage.

 

I'm not sure what to do though. My DA are quite dark indeed, literally a thin coat of DA green over a black basecoat. I'll keep my eyes peeled for painted test models here and there and see where i go from there.

 

And a word on the whole dropper bottle vs pots debate: GW wants to get as many people buying these as they can. it's far easier for an inexperienced painter to dip a brush straight into a pot and go from there than use a dropper bottle and palette. I think this is the main reason GW has stuck with the pots (regardless of how much i dislike the new poxy useless flip-top idiotic doesn't work pots they have now)

 

Al

[Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra]

Not really... To quote The Dude over on Warseer:

 

As to the different editions, we've had:

 

RT/1st Ed

Rulebook - Crimson Fists

 

2nd Ed

Box & Codex Imperialis art - Blood Angels

Rear box mini photos - Blood Angels

Rulebook - Crimson Fists

Wargear - Blood Angels

 

3rd Edition

Box & Rulebook art - Black Templars

Rear box mini photos - Black Templars

 

4th Edition

Battle for Mcragge box art - Ultramarines

Rear box mini photos - Ultramarines

 

5th Edition

Assault on Black Reach box art - Ultramarines

Rear box mini photos - Ultramarines

 

So Ultramarines have 2 editions in a row front and centre, but Fists BAs and Templars have all had the spotlight too. Not to mention Space Wolves were the first standalone Codex.

 

For the "generic" Marine Codices, we've had:

 

2nd Edition - Actually named "Codex: Ultramarines"

 

3rd Edition - Crimson Fists

 

4th Edition - Ultramarines

 

5th Edition - Ultramarines

 

So Ultramarines certainly appear most often as the typical bulk standard Marine, but again, this goes back to them being established from the very beginning as the epitome of "Codex adherant" chapters.

2nd ed had a box with the Dark Angels on the cover. Something-something Millenium, I think the box was called. Dark Millenium, was that it?

[Bryan Blaire]

Yeah, the DA were depicted on the cover of the Dark Millenium expansion in 2nd Ed.

 

As far as the colors, I'm itching to get back home to see if I can still buy some DA green, but in the new colors, they definitely expect you to do both the washes (whatever they are called now) and the glazes to build up color depth and get the shades you want. I'm not sure I like it, but I'm reserving full judgment until I get to play with them some.

[Brother Degas]

I had a quick blast in the local shop, seem to go on better and have a bit more flexibility/scope with actual colours/shades although Im not sure how Ill get my stone white dw :D .

[Interrogator Stobz]

I'm feeling a bit sorry for my local shop, they are going to have to invest thousands of $$ to get the new paint range in any numbers, hell if I brought just ONE of each paint I'd be looking at about $1000NZ :D

 

I've brought the last three DA green in their shop so GW can bite my :o for a while(prolly until our new dex appears B) ).

 

While I'm sure the new paint range will enable painters to create some really awesome new combos and effects, I am not happy for those many gamers with large existing half painted armies. STOCK UP WHILE YOU CAN!!! like Bevulf says.

 

sorry, rant over :o

 

s

[JaM_TW]

I should probably restock some foundation colour then.

 

I've used the khemri and dheneb ones, as the red one (mech red?) and the orkhide shade and... ehm, the lighter green foundation paint.

Great paints to use on Angels of Redemption. As is the devlan mud wash...

 

Is it me or am I the only one that thinks the new paintnames are even more 'kiddiefied' than before..? Some are truly horrible IMHO.

[Druthu]

The new paint names are just horrible. Did they really need to change names of paint? It is so confusing now. The marketing department needs a serious beating.

Now I am just restarting up my Dark Angels. I am starting from scratch. Do you think I should pick up two pots of Dark Angels Green or do you think I would be ok for a new batch of models?

I have one old pot of DA in my collection.

 

Thoughts?

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

If you think about it, the current names are equally confusing. Lich purple? Have you ever met a purple lich? Actually, have you ever met a lich, for that matter? Or Hawk Turquoise? Maybe English hawks are different from American hawks? Kommando Khaki? Catachan Green? I use it on Cadians more than Catachans, personally. Crimson? Ok, I may have made the last one up, but the point is still the same. You're just a bit more used to these colors, and you'll get used to the new ones, and complain about the next release, because complaining is inevitable where the interenet is concerned. Personally, I, as an unskilled painter, love these new paints. They make my life so much easier like washes did, and I can't wait to see what I can do with these.

[Piousservant]

If you think about it, the current names are equally confusing. Lich purple? Have you ever met a purple lich? Actually, have you ever met a lich, for that matter? Or Hawk Turquoise? Maybe English hawks are different from American hawks? Kommando Khaki? Catachan Green? I use it on Cadians more than Catachans, personally. Crimson? Ok, I may have made the last one up, but the point is still the same. You're just a bit more used to these colors, and you'll get used to the new ones, and complain about the next release, because complaining is inevitable where the interenet is concerned. Personally, I, as an unskilled painter, love these new paints. They make my life so much easier like washes did, and I can't wait to see what I can do with these.

 

Well there's a big difference - Catachan *Green* at least tells you what kind of colour it is, so does Hawk Turquoise, etc.

 

Some of the new paints are a bit different in that they have nothing in the name to suggest what colour they are - "The Fang" or "XV-88" for example aren't very helpful in suggesting what kind of colour they are...