No Foes Remain Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I've been lumped with planning a campaing down at my LGC and when I was writing up the details of it I got round to the ships of my forces (SoH and IF) and thought 'what ships did they use?' Now I know the Vengence was used then, and maybe the Avenger and Exorcist as well but apart from that there are hits in the BFG books that the Cobra may have been used then but apart from that there isn't much info. So I was wondering if anyone here has any thoughts on the matter, 'cos its a pretty much unmentioned part as far as I have been able to research (lexi came up blank). /Ventris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 http://sg.tacticalwargames.net/ They have the BF gothic pdfs from the GW website up. The ship write ups have the details on when each class was built. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3023629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I'm not sure their is an exastive list per se. For example the Emperor class BB is definetly pre Crusade era but the Retribution Class BB is not nearly as old even though they look alot alike.. The Desolator BB is a Crusade era Class but the simalar looking Despoiler class is only 4,000 years old in 40k. The Oberon and Apocalypse Classes may also be Crusade or HH Era classes. The Ramilies class starfort is also Pre Crusade era. Other then that I can't confirm a single ship class in BFG that dates back that far. My advice is to come up with your own clsses and have them "count as" known BFG classes that do the job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3023751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 @Raven: I'll include the three you mentioned and have a look over a few HH books to see what ships they mention and then just use guesswork. @Haranin: I've got the PDFs of the Imperial and chaos fleets and only a few mention roughly when it was built or when they were most active, thanks anway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3023820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Actually the Despoiler-class was in existence in the Heresy. The 40k variant was based off of the Terminus Est which means that there were others, but none to have ever remained loyal to the Imperium. And a Heresy fleet is going to be a pain. Simply becuase of the fact that the Imperium wasn't as dogmatic about its technology durin the Great Crusade. It was basically "No A.I., no use of xenos tech(but they could copy it) and no Chaos tech.(fusing the machines with the warp) so you only have an unknown blank the size of the Imperium because BFG only takes place in one sector with one battlefleet against one Chaos fleet. And they don't do justice to the Chaos fleet since there are only how many daemonworlds and traitor worlds in the forces of Chaos that are capable of building ships? It would be the same way with the Crusade/Heresy- era Imperium. They had battle barges that could tear apart fleets and strike cruisers with lances and torpedoes. Those are not BFG Astartes vessels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3023866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Actually the Despoiler-class was in existence in the Heresy. The 40k variant was based off of the Terminus Est which means that there were others, but none to have ever remained loyal to the Imperium. The Terminus Est may have been unique. It's described as "non-STC" in Flight of the Eisenstein, and in Fanatic Magazine there's an account of how it was "a unique design that predated the Great Crusade" and how the Despoilers were created when the design was retrieved from the "perdita world of Barabus" (Barbarus misspelled?) On the other hand, accounts of Rogal Dorn's death say he died on board a Despoiler. Hard to justify him surviving as late as M36. Perhaps the term "Despoiler" was being applied to a generic type of battleship attack craft carrier from the Heresy Era, of which the Terminus Est was one variant example that was later copied to produce the "M36 Despoilers"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3023907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Yeah I believe that because Gulliman wasn't the only Primarch to come from a technologically-advanced world. Barbarus could have built shipyards and produced the Terminus Est along with others. Could be a variant over a type of that already existed and was simply lost to time. The Mechanicus may have already realized the problem in building the ships, ceased production and then forgot any of it happened because it was censured. Then they find it on Barbarus and decide to rebuild it never remembering that they had built it before. There's even mention of an Infernus-class capital ship, I want to say it is grand cruiser-displacement? It's one of the big ones. At any rate, it is a Heresy-era vessel with a Nova cannon. And every time it was mentioned, it was being used as an Adeptus Astartes battle barge. But it has inly been seen in the service of the Word Bearers, suggesting that it was a Colchisian variant of warship. Of course it might just be a product of BL's artistic licensing in having to create the background abd history of every part of the Crusade-era/Heresy-era/40k-era setting. As A-D-B is always putting it, it is a freakin' big place!(Paraphrased) Battlefleet Gothic only shows the ships encountered by Battlefleet Gothic. There is still how many other battlefleets? So just go with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3023918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 I was flicking through Fallen Angels and Battle for the Abyss and there are a number of ships which seem made up for that use so I'm just going with the Emperor class, battle barges, strike cruisers, the Oberon, Desolator, Vengence, Avenger, Exorcist, Apocalypse, and sword, cobra and firestorm. Since there is no other information adding any other ships to this list. I know that there is a load of battleships and grand cruisers but what the hell, since both sides will have access to these ships it will be balanced at least, plus there will still be a point limit and I'm working something out so you have to have a certain number of escorts for every grand cruiser and battleship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3024096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Yeah I believe that because Gulliman wasn't the only Primarch to come from a technologically-advanced world. Barbarus could have built shipyards and produced the Terminus Est along with others. Could be a variant over a type of that already existed and was simply lost to time. The Mechanicus may have already realized the problem in building the ships, ceased production and then forgot any of it happened because it was censured. Then they find it on Barbarus and decide to rebuild it never remembering that they had built it before. There's even mention of an Infernus-class capital ship, I want to say it is grand cruiser-displacement? It's one of the big ones. At any rate, it is a Heresy-era vessel with a Nova cannon. And every time it was mentioned, it was being used as an Adeptus Astartes battle barge. But it has inly been seen in the service of the Word Bearers, suggesting that it was a Colchisian variant of warship. Of course it might just be a product of BL's artistic licensing in having to create the background abd history of every part of the Crusade-era/Heresy-era/40k-era setting. As A-D-B is always putting it, it is a freakin' big place!(Paraphrased) Battlefleet Gothic only shows the ships encountered by Battlefleet Gothic. There is still how many other battlefleets? So just go with it. Acording to the BFG rule book Grand cruisers where built between M34 and M36 when the info needed for their more powerful engines was lost. That said I see no problem pattening some of your BC classes on them. As far as Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers go you might have to make thme up from scratch as the BFG version are deliberately nerfed during the reorginisation after HH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3024195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I'd like to see rules for the bigger ships- Vengeful Spirit, Furious Abyss. I think the Charybdis class Grand Cruiser may be Heresy-era (the Carcharodon flagship in Siege of Badab II was a heavily modified one of these) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3024201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 During the Heresy the Night Lords used something called "Eclipse Class light cruisers" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3058277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord calgar Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 It seemed to me like most of the ships used were non- STC based ships for the most part and the ones that are STC designs sound so heavily modified that there would be no corrolation to the BFG ships. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3061272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 The naval battle mentioned in Talos' memories from Void Stalker -- when the Ultras et al came to Tsagualsa -- state fairly implicitly that the vessels used by the Legions were straight-up ships of the line, and that they outgunned the new STC-pattern battle barges and strike cruisers that we are used to today. The Convenant of Blood, which had previously been described as a cruiser, was able to fight off several batle barges -- battleship-sized vessels -- by itself in order to extend and escape. Food for thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3061715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 I'll have to get Void Stalker then, its on my 'to-buy' list but I haven't got round to buying anything yet.... I might just edit some of the stats on the ships then, like removing the bombardment cannons from SM ships and adding lances... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3061962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 When you get it, the reference is on page 208: The Imperial Space Marine fleet dwarfed the Night Lords' in numbers and scope, but the Legion's primary warships eclipsed the loyalists' vessels in size by vast degrees. . . "The Codex Astartes in action,"Ruven smirked. "Surrendering their largest and finest warships to the newborn Imperial Navy. I pray that today the Thirteenth learn a lesson in whoring away their most potent firepower to lesser men." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249614-ships-used-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3062245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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