Fallen Space Wolves

[The Holy Heretic]

The only way to become immune to chaos temptation, is to be a non-sentient, non-emotional being, being a prideful norse berserker and secretly filled with envy of the ultramarines really doesn't go that well with that :lol:

Nice trolling buddy :D

 

I take offense to that :P

 

Chaos corruption comes from 'impure thoughts', fears, ambition and all that jazz. All things that space wolves have in abundance - 'cept for the fear part :D

 

So the whole subject is rather moot. Especially with the Huron fluff and all.

 

- sure it might come on as offensive, but there seems to be more than a few "Is my <insert favorite chapter> immune to corruption, 'cuz they're like so cool and manly" -threads about the place, to which the answer is the same deep resounding: "No!"

 

 

Silly heretic, go play with your demonically possessed minions and Demonically possessed weapons :D

 

On a side note, DUDE your GK army looks pimptastic.

 

Thank you, you're much to kind :devil:

 

I shall go celebrate, by bathing them in the blood of a thousand virgins - gets that extra pure shine :P

[Matt D]

The only way to become immune to chaos temptation, is to be a non-sentient, non-emotional being, being a prideful norse berserker and secretly filled with envy of the ultramarines really doesn't go that well with that ;)

sounds kind of like the lobotomized world eaters. did not stop them falling. better to be a wolf in my opinion. :)

[the jeske]

the difference between WE and SW is only physical . WE use implants to feel anything only when killing , SW do the same to their aspirants but without machine their directly change how the aspirants pleasure centers work . This is why SW feel "best" durning fighting , everything else after the change seems blunt . the methods are different but the resoults are more or less the same.

[Arez]

The only way to become immune to chaos temptation, is to be a non-sentient, non-emotional being, being a prideful norse berserker and secretly filled with envy of the ultramarines really doesn't go that well with that :)

Nice trolling buddy :)

 

I take offense to that :huh:

 

Chaos corruption comes from 'impure thoughts', fears, ambition and all that jazz. All things that space wolves have in abundance - 'cept for the fear part :P

 

 

The only "impure thoughts" that i can think of that we have are how much more ale can we drink than a brother(or sister) wolf.Fear is if we cant fight the Allfathers enemies any more and if we'll run out of ale and food.And we dont envy the UM's.

 

 

 

As for the topic:It is possible for SW's to semi-willingly fall to chaos,just look at the Ragnar series.Only through will did Ragnar not fall to Slaneesh(IIRC).I havent read any of the Red Corsairs fluff so if what im about to say is wrong im sorry but i think that the wolves that fell to Huron was new BloodClaws.

[hendrik]

really arez? you think there's no jalousy or even resent between certain battlebrothers? despite being unhuman the space marines often have a very human side to them. the way i see it, being based on my knowledge of the SW fluff out there and more specifically the fluff about the wulfen, falling to chaos (in the sense of worshipping the chaos gods and getting blessings from them etc) is (genetically)impossible. turning wulfen will prevent the works of the chaos magic. going renegade on the other hand is something our genes simply can't prevent...

[jmurph]

the jeske: I don't know about that. The WE did some pretty extreme surgery. The SWs, not so much. Remember that SWs come from a death planet of warriors and survivors. They don't really need to change much- they already know the thrill of the hunt, battle, and victory and the cost of defeat. Drinking from the cup of the wulfen awakens primal genetic strengths and they are tested for control. If they survive and prove that they can master that aspect, then the rest of the process continues. Compare that to the WE who basically just kept them insensate except in battle where their focus and rage was kicked into overdrive. While the wolves are wily, cunning, and ferocious, the WE were unstoppable killing machines bent on slaughter. It's like a wolf compared to a giant rabid fighting dog. Kind of like how the SWs don't care for the BA rage aspect.

 

As to wulfen falling, that doesn't seem likely as the wulfen aspect seems to be an uncontrolled defense mechanism against chaos. Kind of a rebellion of the primal against the supernatural. However, I don't know that those who turn traitor wouldn't let enough Chaos influence in that the wulfen aspect becomes a twisted perversion and creates some truly horrific raging wulf spawn.

[shdwcypher13]

To answer the original poster. The chaos dudes in the current are a conversion made by a he employee. They go by the title BLOOD WOLVES. Hit up Google to give you.more about them. I can't post the links because I'm doing this from.my phone.

[the jeske]

I don't know about that. The WE did some pretty extreme surgery. The SWs, not so much. Remember that SWs come from a death planet of warriors and survivors.

it has nothing to do with surviving [actualy the more deadly the world the more people want peace and quite] . all marines from all chapters have their bodies changed . the changes to SW are one of the most drastic among all the chapters in existance . For a SW the most important thing is to be in a fight , it has nothing to do with duty or faith or the great work of the chapter/legion . A SW to feel "happy/good" has to fight every other emotion or drive is less important . SW that are different are very rare , sometimes because they wage a different fight [against one self like the scouts or against ones psyche like the priests] , but all other are drive by the need to kill . That is also why SW that can go past the kill kill kill are so important to the chapter/legion , they make their diplomats , their warleaders and even those have to keep up the illusion of simple killers not just for the outsiders but for their rank and file battle brothers too[logan is like that] .

 

In many ways the SW indoctriantion is the harshes and most complicated of the all [and not just because the tests are deadly], the changes to the aspirants are the biggest . And interesting thing about SW is that the implantation of one of the organs responsible for going in to hybernation mode "cures" night lord . the SW biology among all the legions was and still is the most interesting .

[Matt D]

In many ways the SW indoctrination is the harshes and most complicated of the all [and not just because the tests are deadly], the changes to the aspirants are the biggest . And interesting thing about SW is that the implantation of one of the organs responsible for going in to hibernation mode "cures" night lord . the SW biology among all the legions was and still is the most interesting .

what do you mean by this?

[Valerian]

the changes to SW are one of the most drastic among all the chapters in existance . For a SW the most important thing is to be in a fight , it has nothing to do with duty or faith or the great work of the chapter/legion . A SW to feel "happy/good" has to fight every other emotion or drive is less important . SW that are different are very rare , sometimes because they wage a different fight [against one self like the scouts or against ones psyche like the priests] , but all other are drive by the need to kill . That is also why SW that can go past the kill kill kill are so important to the chapter/legion , they make their diplomats , their warleaders and even those have to keep up the illusion of simple killers not just for the outsiders but for their rank and file battle brothers too[logan is like that] .

 

What is your source for this?

 

V

[Lord Ragnarok]

the changes to SW are one of the most drastic among all the chapters in existance . For a SW the most important thing is to be in a fight , it has nothing to do with duty or faith or the great work of the chapter/legion . A SW to feel "happy/good" has to fight every other emotion or drive is less important . SW that are different are very rare , sometimes because they wage a different fight [against one self like the scouts or against ones psyche like the priests] , but all other are drive by the need to kill . That is also why SW that can go past the kill kill kill are so important to the chapter/legion , they make their diplomats , their warleaders and even those have to keep up the illusion of simple killers not just for the outsiders but for their rank and file battle brothers too[logan is like that] .

 

What is your source for this?

 

V

 

Agreed. Is this supposition or is there some source you can provide. I think I've read every tome out there on space wolves and not really read what you provided.

[jmurph]

Yeah, the need to kill, seems pretty alien to SWs, who are known as being quite sympathetic to humanity. While they do not hesitate to tear apart minions of Chaos, they seem to dislike unnecessary slaughter (See Logan's disgust with the purge at Armageddon despite his love of battle and the general dislike for BA blood thirst). Indeed, the Wolves reputation is such that the MBT of the Imperium bears their primarch's name and their master was appointed head of forces at Cadia in defense of the 13th Black crusade.

[Growler67]

So, has the Space Wolf community finally given into the fact that their brethren can indeed be turned to Chaos?

 

The confusion being perpetuated by some of the responses is that a "resistence" does NOT equal "immunity". The SW Chapter is more "resistent" than the rest but is NOT immune to being turned. Another is that going "renegade" or "independent" from the Chapter does not necessarily mean "falling to taint Chaos". Perhaps semantics but I believe there is a difference in the terms. Being "human" (albeit "super") the possibility always exists that the taint of Chaos CAN corrupt an individual Marine at a time when they are at their weakest or under the greatest influence.

 

Whether the members of this Fang (within the B&C Forum) "given into the fact" is a bold way to word your question.....hence the instant reaction that you were perceived as a troll. I would suggest a more careful choice of words for any future querries. To answer your question directly; Yes, as stated in the last sentence in my previous paragraph. I will wager that you will NOT find many here that would accept your premise that THIS 'Space Wolf community' will give into anything, much less in any willing manner. If I may be be so bold, I would say that we may eventually go down, but it'll not be willingly......there WILL be resistence and more likely a (virtual) fight.

[skoll]

if GW were to ever make SW officially chaos, I would disregard what they say and keep playing loyalist wolves until this game dies.

[Pyroriffic]

- sure it might come on as offensive, but there seems to be more than a few "Is my <insert favorite chapter> immune to corruption, 'cuz they're like so cool and manly" -threads about the place, to which the answer is the same deep resounding: "No!"

From a writer's viewpoint... any set of characters become far more interesting when they have flaws and fallibilities. Things that they have to overcome to either Save the Day or things to which they succumb. Heroism or tragedy.

 

There are many folks out there who refer to the Ultramarines as 'vanilla'. If you wanted to keep the Space Wolves pure and untainted by Chaos, surely you cross that fine line to making them vanilla as well? (Maybe with just a hint of raspberry ripple).

 

For my money (and entirely in my opinion...) keep the Space Wolves walking that razor's edge of uncertainty. Let it be ambiguous and let it be possible for the occasional Space Wolf to fall to his baser instincts. It makes them appealling to readers, writers and players alike.

[Lord Ragnarok]

- sure it might come on as offensive, but there seems to be more than a few "Is my <insert favorite chapter> immune to corruption, 'cuz they're like so cool and manly" -threads about the place, to which the answer is the same deep resounding: "No!"

From a writer's viewpoint... any set of characters become far more interesting when they have flaws and fallibilities. Things that they have to overcome to either Save the Day or things to which they succumb. Heroism or tragedy.

 

There are many folks out there who refer to the Ultramarines as 'vanilla'. If you wanted to keep the Space Wolves pure and untainted by Chaos, surely you cross that fine line to making them vanilla as well? (Maybe with just a hint of raspberry ripple).

 

For my money (and entirely in my opinion...) keep the Space Wolves walking that razor's edge of uncertainty. Let it be ambiguous and let it be possible for the occasional Space Wolf to fall to his baser instincts. It makes them appealling to readers, writers and players alike.

 

I agree with your reasoning. I think an environment where we can fall either to chaos or the curse would be more interesting for me. Those who are more strongly aligned with Russ's blessing are much less susceptible to falling to chaos, and those who are much less aligned with the Canis Helix would be less susceptible to the curse but would be easier prey for the dark gods. The best warriors being able to find that perfect balance between temptation, the wulfen curse and their internal bestial fury in the extreme heat of battle.

[Valerian]

Walking the razor's edge.