Clewz Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 @Artein and Clewz: Actually all of the BL books list Curze as being Istvaan V. In Fulgrim, you see him on a stage as Horus gives his victory speech. You see him again in The First Heretic as he fights Corax. Then Corax has a flashback to fighting him and says that it was basically a stroke of luck that he didn't turn out like his brother in Deliverance Lost. The only thing The Outcast Dead says about the massacre is that Ferrus Manus was rushing ahead of the main fleet with his Terminator company. And then you hear Dorn rant that his carefully laid out plans are about to be ruined and he tells the astropaths to tell Corax and Vulkan to catch him. Then you hear that the massacre happened, Manus is dead and Vulkan and Corax are MIA. Those are the only Primarchs mentioned in context to the Drop Site Massacre. I was just on about that one of the books states that Dorn only ordered the night lords without curze to Istvaan. I agree the other ones state he was there. Doesn't really change the storyline though as it's more than likely that the legion would still be in touch with Curze Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3026195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Which book was it if I might ask? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3026395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Which book was it if I might ask? The Outcast Dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3026455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Hmm. Then that would make it that he somehow managed to get to Istvaan as he was seen on planet in Fulgrim, The First Heretic and Deliverance Lost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3026467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Maybe we'll get to see somewhere down the line (speculating here) when Kurze rejoins his legion and takes part in the dropsite massacre? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3037086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Possibly, he does have a (short?) story coming out soon'ish in The Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3037356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I think that one got replaced by an Alpha Legion short because ADB had other things on his plate (birth of his son) so didn't finish in time? I think it's going to be in the Shadows of Treachery, as there is a NL short by ADB in it called Prince of Crows, but i think thats about Sevatar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3037579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 While it doesn't tell us much, link other than that it comes out in June. I am sure that other authors can write about Kurze, especially if it is a short-story. (e.g. McNeill's Dark King) Anyway, let's get back to discussing the Night Lords at Istvaan. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3037740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamicspartan Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Interestingly, that is one thing we don't see; Horus converting Alpharius, Perturabo and Kurze to his cause. That would be an interesting story to see. According to Legion, Horus had no part in converting Alpharius/Omegon. They where instead convinced to join the traitors by the Cabal. Now for Perturabo I have heard two different stories. The first being that the Emperor never gave him the same amount of praise that he did to his brother primarchs and this drove him into a sort of jealous rage that turned him towards Horus. The second story is that Olympia was in open rebellion against the Emperor. Perturabo and his legion violently purged his world. He realized what he did and thought he would never be forgiven by his father and thus sided with Horus. I do not know which is the real story and maybe it is both twisted into one. You decide. Kurze is also said that he was not convinced by Horus in the Night Lords books by ADB. I think it was in Soul Hunter when Kurze informs Talos that the Night Lords had always and will always rebel against the Imperium, but I think this state of mind happens more after the Night Lords trial for their tactics. One thing I have noticed about the traitor legions, especially in the more recent media, is that about half were not convinced by Horus to join him. This includes the Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion, and Night Lords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3042213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Now for Perturabo I have heard two different stories. The first being that the Emperor never gave him the same amount of praise that he did to his brother primarchs and this drove him into a sort of jealous rage that turned him towards Horus. The second story is that Olympia was in open rebellion against the Emperor. Perturabo and his legion violently purged his world. He realized what he did and thought he would never be forgiven by his father and thus sided with Horus. I do not know which is the real story and maybe it is both twisted into one. You decide. I think its a bit of both. Add to that the bitterness that Perturabo felt as other legions got the glory and his legion was constantly the legion of choice for morale sapping, back breaking seige warfare. He was annoyed at always getting the crappy jobs and that was another thing that pushed him over the edge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3042358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 And the fact that Dorn, the more charismatic siege expert of the two, proved his superiority through bragging. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3042391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyros Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Sometime before Istvaan, Curze did come to blows with his brother Dorn and drew his blood. He was then placed under guard and was to be shipped to Terra to accept the Emperors judgement on his actions and the way his legion fought. He escaped his guard (Emperors Children and Fists) and with his fleet returned home. When the Fists fleet managed to break into the system they bore witness to the destruction of Nostramo at the hands of Curze. How large the fleet Curze had with him at the time we don't know, but properly only the largest of several since we have seen that the legions had a number of fleets spread wide during the crusade. So Curze had a fleet with him when he went rouge. (all this from the Dark king audio drama). And then came Istvaan... The remainder of the Night Lords Legion was order to stop Hours uprising along their brother legions. Dorn was under the hope that Curze would not be able to join his fleet or other ways stay out of the whole thing since he get's a wee bit upset when he hears that Curze has rejoined his legion at the onset of Istvaan (The outcast dead). So the way I understand it is that Curze went rouge and did continue to conquer worlds for the Imperium just not in a way that was "the imperiums way" (The Dark King). And I guess that the Emperor/Horus/Dorn did run a tight ship with the remaining Night Lords fleets to ensure that they did not link up with their wayward father and did use them as any other legionfleet. They simply did not get their orders from their genesire anymore. And befoe they had a chance to deal with Curze the brightest bastard son started his revolt. So Curze were at Istvaan with his legion but Dorn had only ordered the Night Lords astartes the go there. Not Curze. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249647-night-lords-at-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3042430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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