appiah4 Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 So the new paint range is Here along with a Conversion Chart EDIT: There is now a comprehensive Painting Guide on GW's website as well. I know there is a thread in the Rumors section about this but now that it's no longer a rumor but a reality, a thread to share our experiences with the new paints would be useful. I'm really looking forward to hear what you think is good or bad, how closely the paints and washes resemble the old range and how you've changed your painting to compensate. Pictures would be most welcome :) P.S. In anticipation of the change I've decided to stockpile some Baal red and Ogryn wash myself (my two most used Washes) to avoid major headaches later on so I have little to contribute myself atm, I'm afraid. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbringer Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 I'd be interested in peoples results i need some new paint now but i'm going to get it in before the changes as shadow grey is not what is used to be it seems its been amalgamated with Fenris Grey into the Fang. These colours are identical in my recollection so will be stocking up on shadow grey and space wolves grey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3024583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 I haven't even touched the new product and I'm already noticing something weird with their naming. Ok, so they want to change the paint names to make them tie-in better with their IP. In my opinion, it's not like you can really copyright a specific colour by giving it a (sometimes obscure) unique GW-centric name. But that's not my main point, so I digress. What I don't get is the decision to change names that were already unique GW-centric names. Necron Abyss, Mordian Blue, Gretchin Green, Asurmen Blue, Boltgun Metal are just a few that jump out. I understand that many of these colours will have changed ever-so-slightly, but these new colours are replacing the old. So even if Boltgun Metal is slightly different, this is going to be its closest match you're going to get in the new range, so why not just keep the familiar name? Especially with something as iconic as Boltgun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3024611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Tower of Nurgle Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 the names are not the same because the paints are not the same. GW has this on their website. It would be MORE confusing and frustrating to go buy something with the same name and it not be the same color. The new names seperate the new paints from the old paints. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3024621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 I ended up buying 2 pots of Ogryn Flesh and Baal Red washes to stock for further use. I use these extensively for my Blood Angels, and can't risk buying the new shades and finding they aren't exactly the same color/hue.. Still very interested in hearing how close the GW comparison chart is though.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3025317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg033 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I must be getting old - my immediate thought was why did they change it! the names sound stupid - chaos black and skull white were good and as Sublte Discord said, names like boltgun metal are pretty iconic in their own right anyway, rant over. now its settled in, focusing purely on the fact they extended the range to include more colors and types of paint, this 'should' be a good thing. its not rocket science to mix up your own colors but this should reduce the need a bit if you plan to use large quantities of given colors. what i dont like so far - the cost! the cynic in me screams that this is yet another cash cow, extending the range and changing the names to make us rebuy everything and have to buy more etc but the arguement to that is - we dont have to buy them, there are several really useful threads on alternative products, also - if we do want them we dont have to buy them all at once or even direct from GW at full price. As someone who's always used GW paints due to the convienience i've seriously thinking of starting to jump ship to vallejo due to the cost of GW paints - this could make or break that decision. i have the previous mega paint set plus various extras i've picked up over the years but a lot have dried up while i've been on an extended break from painting anything (2 kids/new job/PS3/laziness) or just not being used. I'm looking to get back into painting and I reckon i need around 30 colors including washes/foundations/basecoats to paint the bulk of my force that i'm planning and to account for a few little details like gems etc. i wont be buying the mega paint set again as i learnt first time round i didnt use most of it despite having nids/eldar/guard/ork/Dark angels armies on the go - i think in total across all these armies i used 50 main colors mixing my own as i went as needed. I will be watching this thread with interest and looking forward to hearing about what the quality of these paints is like. lhg033 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3025382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Validar Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Let alone names I have been to my local GW to test the new stuff. Full coverage on the bright red and even the white (!) over black primer (!!). The new shades/wash is just like wash, only that it works slightly better and I saw a result of the new glaze - wonderful, really. I truly believe that GW would never change the entire range unless they were 100% that it would lead to a major improvement. I am fairly sure that it isn't paint they earn their money on, but miniatures. The paint with gravel have yet to convince me. I guess it is good for the people that don't usually base their models, but for me it just seems inadequate. But point is clear: I'm a fan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3025583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 All of this is good info. The only bit i moaned about was the names, it looks as though the quality is a good leap forward in terms of coverage and choice Fair play to them - if it gets more armies painted quicker, and takes us back to halcyon times where tabletops had painted armies, then i'll be a happy man Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3025599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onipunk Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I got a chance to try out an example of all the new paints last weekend, these are only my impressions as an amateur painter, but may still help some. Bases - Cover very well in all cases, and the white base covered excellently over black primer with only a few minor touch-ups with standard white needed. Shades - As useful as the old washes, but less fluid, meaning it's easier to get precision application. Layers - Just like the old paints, but seem to cover slightly better. Drys - Could be very useful in certain applications, like weathering and basing. I had a problem of putting too much of the substance onto my brush, so I ended up still having to wipe some off, so if you're using these you really only need to lightly touch the brush to the paint. Glazes - Can lead to some interesting effects and are very easy to use. Not of much use to advanced painters but for people like me they open the door to a new technique I'd never have otherwise tried. Textures - Have potential useful applications in weathering and bases, I still personally prefer the look of sand but understand that the Textures are an easy way for lazy painters to base. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3025664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Templar 307th Comp. Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I will for sure be getting the Ceramite White, I hear it's very good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3025764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofus Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Anyone know of a new color that matches their brazen brass? I am about to run out of mine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3025813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Speaking with a lack of experience, and more from a standpoint of looking at the paints and what's been done with them, I think this is equal to washes in terms of coolness. For those of us(me) with a lack of painting ability, it makes it much simpler to get those odd techniques in, to make the models look nice, and to have fun painting. I certainly think this is an excellent decision, and I hope they continue on their trend with paints. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3026002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 As an update, there is now a comprehensive Painting Guide on GW's website as well. It makes painting most things look interestingly easy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3026229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoby Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I had a go with the paints earlier, for the ultimate test (in my mind) I did a red and white quartered marine over a black undercoat. The red goes on a dream with good even coverage first layer and is a nice, quite bright shade, totally unlike mechrite red. The white I had a little bit of issue with, the pot I tried seemed to be a bit drier than the red so came out a bit thick when I tried to use it and then I watered it down too much and it went a bit too thin and didnt cover so well, it took 2 layers in the end and covered black better than skull white would cover even over a light grey. The guy next to me seemed to get even better results, smooth coverage first coat. I used the nuln oil shade on the white and the crimson one on the red and with a little bit of touching up they looked great. I am no great painter, I've never ever got white looking half decent and red I've only ever got looking good with a lot of effort but it was easy with these paints. Now what I really don't like... I have the majority of the current paint line that I've built up over the years, the new paints don't match them and some of the suggested matches apparantly are pretty poor and very noticeably different when painted. Buying the paint set is out of the question, I could buy a warhound for that price! I'm probably going to have to buy a few basecoats and shades and then upgrade my normal paints to layers gradually and hope I get a better job to fund all this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3026451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Buying the paint set is out of the question, I could buy a warhound for that price! To be fair, the paint set is a lot of paint. There's no way around having a hefty price-tag on that many pots. Personally though, if I'm buying the paint set, I'm buying paint in bulk in an effort to save some cost per bottle. I'd rather get a deal on the cost per bottle than get a 'free' (overpriced) case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3026469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg033 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Personally though, if I'm buying the paint set, I'm buying paint in bulk in an effort to save some cost per bottle. I'd rather get a deal on the cost per bottle than get a 'free' (overpriced) case. agreed! I took a wander to the nearest GW yesaterday and had a breif look at the paints - they seem pretty good so I may invest in a few core colors to try out. I have to say I am now waiting to see if independant supplers offer any better prices if they get to sell them. I'd predict they should be upto 20% cheaper if it follows their usual costing model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3026539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Since it's going to be awhile before I can give some of these new paints a try, I do have a question for anyone who's had a chance. As someone who paints a lot of Gold, I'd like to know how the new range of metallics are performing? Both in coverage, and in blending, if possible. Finer pigments at higher concentrations, and a higher quality acrylic base are all straight forward enough improvements for standard colours, and from what I've been reading people seem pleased with the new line, and how it's covering. But I'm curious if they managed get any of the 'magic' into Gold, Bronze, and Copper pots to help with coverage and blending. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3026593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorisBC Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 The word on the street is that GW didn't own the names due to a lega messed up decades ago when they first set things up paint wise. So when they wanted to do their own stuff, they had to rename everything. Haven't tried any yet, as my wife is refusing to allow any purchases for me a week out from my birthday. I'm interested in the new drybrushing paints though, could make life easier for basing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3028664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedPig Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Vallejo Game Colors are pretty much the same colors as the "Old" paints, and even have a couple colors GW has since discontinued. I buy a combination of everyone's stuff, GW, Vallejo, Reaper, and even some Testor's Model master oil-based, just to have a wide assortment to work with. The only stuff I've seen in the new line that REALLY impressed me was the "Texture" paint. "Lustria Undergrowth" is a very cool paint, that when stippled, forms grass. VERY nice, I'll be buying a load of that. Everything else, Meh, maybe I will, maybe I won't. I'm sure as Hell not dropping $535 for a whole new array of paint, and an overpriced case. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3031432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razblood Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Had a mess around with Ceramite White the other day and was quite surprised by it's coverage ;) It's slightly off white and the store manager said that was so people could highlight it with White Scar. I said I'd use Skull White as I have a few pots left and he emphatically advised against it, but I think I'll make up my own mind on that one :ermm: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3033999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregornet Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I used Mephiston Red and Carroburg Crimson tonight over a grey primer, and Mephiston red covered excellently. It's actually better coverage than previous foundations, in my opinion. Carroburg is a great wash, it really darkens the recesses well. I'll try to pick up a few more pots tomorrow, the quality here has me excited for the variety in the range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3034032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakiq Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I said I'd use Skull White as I have a few pots left and he emphatically advised against it, but I think I'll make up my own mind on that one ;) After switching to PP's Morrow White years ago I'd have given the same advice to customers as he did. Skull White really is the worst white on the market. Using up your stock before re-stocking is smart though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249667-the-new-citadel-paint-range/#findComment-3034400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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