blamb Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Hi Can someone point me to some times Iron warriors Might have used Jump Troops / Assault Marines or is this not something they use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 As a Legion that specialized in siege tactics, jump troops would be very uncommon. However, with some creative thinking, I'm sure you could find a way to explain it. Maybe they were the assault part of the company that was tasked with taking the wall. But current;y, there are no instances that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 If I was a Warsmith, I'd use them extensively to force breaches or slaughter defenders of a wall. Yes, Assault Marines were uncommon in the Iron Warriors, but I simply can't believe any Warsmith worth his salt would turn down an effective way to take a breach as soon as it opens, within a matter of seconds. Sure as hell beats climbing over a shattered ravelin, sucking up grenades and direct fire the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 That's what slaves and mutants are for ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Pfft, hell with that. Mortals break and die. Something as vital as a forlorn hope to tear open a breach can only be taken by one who is iron within, and iron without... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 The Iron Warriors certainly use Zerkers for breaches... so im sure those who do have assault marines/raptors will use them when they have them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Pfft, hell with that. Mortals break and die. Something as vital as a forlorn hope to tear open a breach can only be taken by one who is iron within, and iron without... "From iron cometh strength. From strength comth will. From will cometh faith. From faith cometh honor. From honor cometh iron. This is the Unbreakable Litany." Of course it pales in comparison to the poisonous weapon known as Fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraull the Rampager Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 There'd definately be assault Companies to consolidate a breach in some kind of fortress. Even if not facing a fortress, those trench systems would be a great opportunity for Jump packs, jumping between trenches, slaughtering mortals/astartes piecemeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Damn skippy. Personally, I wouldn't lay siege to a fortress without at least a few squads of chaos Assault Marines...and some titans...a few super-heavies...couple dozen batteries of Artillery... a few dozen squadrons of Hell Talons... a billion slaves... three Grand Companies... two hundred Decimators... *mumble mumble* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Yep, they definitely use them. The other thing people need to remember is that just because they specialise in something, it doesn't mean that that's the only thing they're capable of doing. Sure, they're siege specialists, but they also need to be capable of other styles of warfare, because I hardly imagine that the Iron Warriors would ignore a planet just because it doesn't have a big city for them to lay siege to. What happens when they fight Eldar? Secondly, as others have mentioned, they need something to force the breach. Sieges aren't just shelling, as much as many internet lists seem to disagree with. When a hole is blown in the wall, someone needs to take and hold the breach, so that the fortress can be captured, rather than simply levelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 @Lord_Caerolion: *High Five* Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Secondly, as others have mentioned, they need something to force the breach. Sieges aren't just shelling, as much as many internet lists seem to disagree with. When a hole is blown in the wall, someone needs to take and hold the breach, so that the fortress can be captured, rather than simply levelled. Why would the Iron Warriors want a fortress that was so easily captured :< We shall make a NEW one, a BETTER one, a IRONERIER ONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 ....On the ashes of the one we crushed....what's more awesome than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one... stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad: the strongest castle in these islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreachon Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Don't forget that IW are probaly the most pragmatic of all the traitor legions, they will use whatever they can get their iron claws on and use it as efficient as possible, jump pack troops if they are available to a warsmith will be used but my take is that these troops will not lead a frontal assault but attack the more vulnerable flanks making greater use of their speed and mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Assault Troops are perfect for sieges. Whats not perfect about being able to vault over earthworks and walls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 GW already slotted them to be Night Lords only although our current(as in A-D-B's, praise the Powers) is making us more like a mix between the Raven Guard's guerilla tactics, except terror rather than confusion, mixed with the Iron Warriors brutality and the Alpha Legion's thoroughness. Personally, while I do like the Raptors as a terror-weapon, I don't see them as being an entire Legion. They should be spread out through all of the Legions, not exist just in the Night Lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Raptors arn't just raptor cults, dude. There are still some Assault Squads in some of the Legions. The Raptor Cult is just a sect/s of chaos followers who use jump packs and like to talk funny, and walk on all fours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Yes I know, I was just commenting on how the Night Lords wound up as "The Raptor Legion" was all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 With any luck, the other half of that rumor, being that there will be Raptors AND Chaos Assault Marines, will be true. Matter of fact, it's a promise... Here, within the halls of the Chaos Ascendant Forum; I, 1000heathens, will create that Iron Warrior Breach army I've been putting off for well over a decade, if GW puts standard Assault Marines in the next Chaos Codex. This I swear in the name of the hated Gods. Oh :rolleyes: , what did I just say?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 With any luck, the other half of that rumor, being that there will be Raptors AND Chaos Assault Marines, will be true. Matter of fact, it's a promise... Here, within the halls of the Chaos Ascendant Forum; I, 1000heathens, will create that Iron Warrior Breach army I've been putting off for well over a decade, if GW puts standard Assault Marines in the next Chaos Codex. This I swear in the name of the hated Gods. Oh :rolleyes: , what did I just say?!? You just sold your soul. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamb Posted March 31, 2012 Author Share Posted March 31, 2012 The MkII assault marines would make the perfect counts as raptors (at least with the current codex) http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-4000...AULT-SQUAD.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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