altmann Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 So I was checking over Lukas the Trickster yesterday and I found something funny. Lukas does not have frag or krak grenades. So looks like his I5 is now I1 when going into terrain even with the rest of his unit. Not that I take him in anything other than fun games, but it's a pretty hilarious oversight on GWs part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 maybe you should send in a question to GW, to see if they will FAQ that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Why would he be I1? His unit has grenades and he is not an IC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Grenades are on a per-model basis. So if I buy grenades for Ninja Kittens 1, 2, and 3, Ninja Kittens 4 and 5 will still go at I1. Of course, since they're the hated xenos psyker kittens, none of them would be alive to throw the grenades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlbitz Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Isn't he an upgrade character though? meaning, does he exchange his current wargear for his new. My thought was that he would start with the standard gear and exchange the pistol for Plasma pistol, and his Chainsword for Wolf Claw, why would he lose the grenades? I could be wrong, as I can't look into this further because I'm at work and don't have the Codex in front of me, but it kinda makes sense to me that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 good question littlbitz! i had not thought of it that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
altmann Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 Nope, his wargear lists power armor and various things that other bloodclaws have. Also, he is not an addon to an existing bloodclaw, he is a special character that is an upgrade to the squad. Nothing about that negates the fact that he does not have any grenades listed in his wargear. Just like a terminator wolfguard that is added does not benefit from the squads grenades, he does not have them on his wargear. Sorry, it's probably an oversight but that's how it works. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 @altmann Actually he is an add on to an existing Bloodclaw. The entry is one Bloodclaw can be upgraded to Lucas the Trickster. You have to pay the points for Lucas and one Bloodclaw to be upgraded to add him to your list. He's not like a Wolfgaurd being added after the fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I consider this an oversight, but if Lukas' gear does not list grenades, he doesn't have them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmurph Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Upgrade characters replace one of the standard troopers. You use the character's stats and wargear only. Lukas has no grenades, so has problems in terrain and against vehicles. Probably an oversight, but dems the breaks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Well, I guess that makes one more reason not to use him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3027842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Well, I guess that makes one more reason not to use him. +1 :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
altmann Posted March 30, 2012 Author Share Posted March 30, 2012 This only came up because I had only Lukas left and he was charging a vehicle and I wanted to just double check to see if he had melta bombs. Imagine my surprise when I found out he doesn't even have grenades. But, I also found out that his pelt of the doppelgangrel does work against shooting attacks (albiet, he has to be alone for it to work). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Well, I guess that makes one more reason not to use him. +1 :cuss +2, oversight I'd imagine but don't use him anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Does his void grenade act as assualt grenades? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Does his void grenade act as assualt grenades? "The last laugh" Is a special rule not wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 wait so IC's grant a unit the use of their grenades but a unit cant grant it to the IC? Also screw GK terminators for having grenades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 wait so IC's grant a unit the use of their grenades but a unit cant grant it to the IC? Also screw GK terminators for having grenades. Screw GK terminators. Don't think you need the rest of that sentence brother :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Well, as we say, "But I'm a Paladin. I can do anything." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Well, as we say, "But I'm a Paladin. I can do anything." And thats where the melta guns come in :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 "But I have Draigo with me. I'm so completely incorruptibly incorruptible that the shot magically appears on his storm shield!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249843-lukas-goes-last/#findComment-3028555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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