Artein Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Ok, I've been thinking.... In Rebirth Khârn was on Prospero. Yet he is with Angron and Lorgar during their quest in Ultramar. How? I used to think that Rebirth was soon after Istvaan V.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clewz Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I like to pretend rebirth didn't happen edit - after rereading that it sounds kind of harsh as I dint have a problem with the way it was told, it was just the blood raven link *shudders* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Warp travel. It's 40k's answer to "Wizards did it!" Seriously though, until I've read the relevant information (the novel) I can't offer any kind of explanation and I would think many others couldn't, either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Ok, I've been thinking....In Rebirth Khârn was on Prospero. Yet he is with Angron and Lorgar during their quest in Ultramar. How? I used to think that Rebirth was soon after Istvaan V.... A fine and worthy question, young sir. I don't have my notes to hand, but this has come up a lot behind the scenes, with many scowls and instances of me making this intensely unattractive confused face: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7128/6881904266_0daa62961d.jpg The short version is that Prospero was "around the time of Isstvan III", one way or another. I have foul and dark forebodings of being the guy to take the flak for this one, when this slice of timeline doohickery was all before I joined the team. But I've made the cardinally foolish sin of discussing it in public now. Suffice to say, Khârn can be anywhere he likes post-Isstvan V (Betrayer is about a year-ish after Isstvan V, given travel times), and regarding his earlier behaviour... I'm not going to touch it with a long pole. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Unattractive? It looks exactly like Magnus! Has Alex been displaying any odd traits, beyond the power to control two adult humans, like fire shooting from his eyes or lifting houses with his mind? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Anaziel Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 In all seriousness, isn't it possible that the "Khârn" in Rebirth was an Alpha Legion imposter similar to the ones in DL? Perhaps Alpharius(or Omegon) wanted a tool that could influence Angron? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadCell Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 In all seriousness, isn't it possible that the "Khârn" in Rebirthwas an Alpha Legion imposter similar to the ones in DL? Perhaps Alpharius(or Omegon) wanted a tool that could influence Angron? With literally as little disrespect I can show you, that is the most awful idea ever. I would hate the people who decided on the idea, the keyboard it was first typed upon, the room it was written in, the people who made the cover art, I would even go as far as to forget the time I shared parallel to the man hours it took to write in effort to distance myself from the IP as humanely possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 *snip The short version is that Prospero was "around the time of Isstvan III", one way or another. I have foul and dark forebodings of being the guy to take the flak for this one, when this slice of timeline doohickery was all before I joined the team. But I've made the cardinally foolish sin of discussing it in public now. Suffice to say, Khârn can be anywhere he likes post-Isstvan V (Betrayer is about a year-ish after Isstvan V, given travel times), and regarding his earlier behaviour... I'm not going to touch it with a long pole. Um, that raises a really big question concerning the timeline. Well, more like it reiterates it. If Prospero was around the time as Istvaan III, then why does Graham McNeill place it after Istvaan V by saying that the Wolves are leaving in the aftermath of Magnus' warning burning out most of the Astropathic network on Terra in The Outcast Dead? It was still a good novel but it makes the timeline really really really confusing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 *snip The short version is that Prospero was "around the time of Isstvan III", one way or another. I have foul and dark forebodings of being the guy to take the flak for this one, when this slice of timeline doohickery was all before I joined the team. But I've made the cardinally foolish sin of discussing it in public now. Suffice to say, Khârn can be anywhere he likes post-Isstvan V (Betrayer is about a year-ish after Isstvan V, given travel times), and regarding his earlier behaviour... I'm not going to touch it with a long pole. Um, that raises a really big question concerning the timeline. Well, more like it reiterates it. If Prospero was around the time as Istvaan III, then why does Graham McNeill place it after Istvaan V by saying that the Wolves are leaving in the aftermath of Magnus' warning burning out most of the Astropathic network on Terra in The Outcast Dead? It was still a good novel but it makes the timeline really really really confusing. Imagine all of those timeline inconsistencies (or apparent inconsistencies) you (and many other fans) find. I'm not saying some aren't genuine mistakes. Mistakes happen. Sometimes, though, these things are just badly explained because you think "I have to leave this for the other guys, as they're writing X, Y or Z" or two people start projects concurrently, with brutal deadlines, and something gets lost in the mix. Now imagine sitting in a meeting with the Heresy team, discussing these things for hours. Imagine further, if you will, that you know how they'll be explained, but you know they're not going to be revealed or explained for years, due to publishing schedules. And, say, it's not your place to handle it, as it's not your place to field other authors' questions, or you're just not sure how Author X will deal with it when the time comes. You just know he will. I'm not trying to be vague or contradictory. I know The Outcast Dead looks like it threw a spanner in the works. I don't want to get any part of the explanation wrong, though, so I'm going to basically do what I've done since it was released, and not comment on that part of it. 'Rebirth' is slightly different. That popped out of the blue (with no disrespect to Chris Wraight, who I adore on and off the page - and is blameless here) as a story he was asked to write, without any of the editors saying "Aaron, you're doing Khârn soon, how does this story jive with your stuff?" and without a thorough check of the loose timeline, so to speak. We usually check the kind of "You're doing this character/Legion soon, right?" stuff. That one sort of slid under the radar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Okay, I was just curious. Like I said, it was still a good novel regardless of the inconsistency and just about everything has inconsistencies so I was expecting something eventually other than the "major changes" that everyone usually complains about. Thanks for answering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadCell Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I personally can't wait to see the moment Khârn sits up and starts swinging a big chainaxe around a cramped troop bay that's evacuating Terra while the rest of the 'Eaters scream like schoolgirls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Frankly, I'm more interested in the interaction between Perturabo and Angron in Aurelian. They almost seemed like grumpy old friends (almost) as they chatted while they walked away. It was an unexpected, yet welcome, tidbit showing a possible friendship between the two. Misery loves company, I guess.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3027993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 As a data nut, I am surprised that there isn’t some central data base on who is doing what and who is where. It could even be a wall chart with the major events on it and colour coded stickers for the main characters. You stick them up with your name on them for different slots on the time line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3028387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Imagine all of those timeline inconsistencies (or apparent inconsistencies) you (and many other fans) find. I'm not saying some aren't genuine mistakes. Mistakes happen. Sometimes, though, these things are just badly explained because you think "I have to leave this for the other guys, as they're writing X, Y or Z" or two people start projects concurrently, with brutal deadlines, and something gets lost in the mix. Now imagine sitting in a meeting with the Heresy team, discussing these things for hours. Imagine further, if you will, that you know how they'll be explained, but you know they're not going to be revealed or explained for years, due to publishing schedules. And, say, it's not your place to handle it, as it's not your place to field other authors' questions, or you're just not sure how Author X will deal with it when the time comes. You just know he will. I'm not trying to be vague or contradictory. I know The Outcast Dead looks like it threw a spanner in the works. I don't want to get any part of the explanation wrong, though, so I'm going to basically do what I've done since it was released, and not comment on that part of it. 'Rebirth' is slightly different. That popped out of the blue (with no disrespect to Chris Wraight, who I adore on and off the page - and is blameless here) as a story he was asked to write, without any of the editors saying "Aaron, you're doing Khârn soon, how does this story jive with your stuff?" and without a thorough check of the loose timeline, so to speak. We usually check the kind of "You're doing this character/Legion soon, right?" stuff. That one sort of slid under the radar. Yeah, this is the closest thing to a why you are most likely going to get spu00sed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3028650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 One saving grace (going from memory, not having gone back and checked the text) is that Rebirth is set AFTER the burning of Prospero, but it's not clear when after other than "soon". I also don't think we know for certain how long the Space Wolf presence on Prospero lasted. So, with a bit of goodwill, Rebirth could actually be quite some time after the events of A Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns. This might give a basis for a workable in-universe explanation. Erebus has worse problems in terms of how many places he turns up with his finger in the midst of various pies, although Mr Abnett has provided a bit of an explanation for that in KNF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3036101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings of Fury Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Erebus is the main man behind the heresy as far as i can tell Corrupted Horus Helped corrupt lorgar unleashed demons at calth created the athame warp blades (not interex one) Chief chaplian (Dark apostles) chosen of chaos and if lorgar can make a demon look like him the i imagine so can erebus and kor pheron and the get the book of lorgar first and i imagine that they would edit it so that they could keep some of that power for themselves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249865-kharn-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3046602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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