Grimtooth Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 When Kapser accompanies the Wolevs to Nikkea, it is revealed that there are indeed a full three companies of Wolves present, one of them being the first company. The orders then given by the Jarl of Un were pretty specific and once again highlight the role that has been argued about since Abnett let loose with the Wolves being the Emperor's executioners; basically, Magnus resists, kill any opposition to secure the Emperor. Now this brings up a question; While the current codex seems to have no indication of numbered companies anymore, there is still the marker that signifies which company Logan is fnding favor with at the time. Now during the HH, we have several examples from other Legions that make the point that the first company of said Legions are some of the most powerful and experienced of the individual companies. The first company of Wolves in Prospero Burns seems to be highly regarded as well as it is that jarl giving the orders specific to securing the Emperor and every shot is a kill shot. So current codex meshing with HH, would our current favored company be considered the "First" company with that company being in the same regard as the jarl in Prospero Burns, giving orders and such? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 and with favored company you mean ragnars? i can certainly see logan favoring his own company more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 31, 2012 Author Share Posted March 31, 2012 That is what I am wondering as it is said whichever company currently holds the Great Wolf?s favor. That could always be the company the Great Wolf originally had when they took the up the mantle. However, I am wondering if within the Great Companies does there exist a vaunted "First" or is it just which ever company is currently favored? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 logan is a smart tctician and usually will deploy the great company most able to deal with the problem at hand. in the previous dex there was a description of logan holding a war council and the wolf lords claiming an assault on a planet to be made by them. logan stops them by claiming that he's going himself with his great company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverik_girl Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 on pg 15 of our codex showing the Grand Annulus. Are those runes on-top of each name-stone of any significance? are they numbered runes or just runes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Do you mean Leman Russ? Logan Grimnar wouldn't be born for another 9000 years. I can't recall a Logan character in PB. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 the main reason why i don't see any great company being favourite etc is because none of them is the most seasoned. look at a standard chapter organisation following the codex; they have the veterans in the first company, devastators in the ... company, scouts in that company etc. a space marine is able to advance from company A into company B as he rises through the ranks. in these chapters the first company is usually the most wanted since it is the veteran company Our own organisation on the other hand is quite different. each of our great companies is in effect a small chapter if we look at it, each having it's own fleet, armouries, and ranking system. going from one great company to another is something i've never heard of before (and most likely something that never happens) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Erik Morkai's brother switched to another company. Or Bran Redmaw's. One or the other. The point is, space wolves can switch it up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Erik Morkai's brother switched to another company. Or Bran Redmaw's. One or the other. The point is, space wolves can switch it up. The only difference is, his brother is a Rune Priest. It's always been my understanding since 2nd Edition codex, Dreadnoughts, Rune Priest, Iron Priest and Wolf Priest all belong to the company of the Great Wolf. They (Dreadnoughts, Rune, Iron and Wolf priest) are just lent out to various great companies to support and guide the Wolf Lords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Yes, and the numbering of the GCs continued on until the Battle of the Fang, if the book by that name is to be believed. The form used is seemingly closer to modern Scandenavian rather than Old Norse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmande Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 IA11 also refers to Bran Redmaw's company as the 12th company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3029985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Erik Morkai's brother switched to another company. Or Bran Redmaw's. One or the other. The point is, space wolves can switch it up. The only difference is, his brother is a Rune Priest. It's always been my understanding since 2nd Edition codex, Dreadnoughts, Rune Priest, Iron Priest and Wolf Priest all belong to the company of the Great Wolf. They (Dreadnoughts, Rune, Iron and Wolf priest) are just lent out to various great companies to support and guide the Wolf Lords. This was also my understanding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel23 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I looked at my own company of the second edition codex this morning. I did not see any numbering of the Great Companys in it. The third edition does not have a one either that I can recall. I started in second edition and part of what made me a player of Wolves is the fact that each Great Company is a small army unto itself. Each having a specific role they seem to excel at. I am unsure if there was a numbering system for them back in Rogue Trader. As for moving from one Great Company to another its seems to me as a special instance thing. If they show signs of the Wyrd then they end up in the Great Wolfs Company as Rune Priests. The same can be said for Iron Priests and Wolf Priests and their specific skills development. I have noticed that the books and codex's do not always jive with one another. So it would not suprise me if they did have a numbering system. At least in the books so the new reader has some way of telling which company is which. In my opinion numbering companys is for the Codex Astartes tome thumpers. I like the way we have it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 I looked at my own company of the second edition codex this morning. I did not see any numbering of the Great Companys in it. The third edition does not have a one either that I can recall. I started in second edition and part of what made me a player of Wolves is the fact that each Great Company is a small army unto itself. Each having a specific role they seem to excel at. I am unsure if there was a numbering system for them back in Rogue Trader. As for moving from one Great Company to another its seems to me as a special instance thing. If they show signs of the Wyrd then they end up in the Great Wolfs Company as Rune Priests. The same can be said for Iron Priests and Wolf Priests and their specific skills development. I have noticed that the books and codex's do not always jive with one another. So it would not suprise me if they did have a numbering system. At least in the books so the new reader has some way of telling which company is which. In my opinion numbering companys is for the Codex Astartes tome thumpers. I like the way we have it. I am on the other side of the fence with then numbered companies being in Wurgen. My new company will be Tra or Un. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Whats the difference between 'Sicarius' Company' and 'Ragnar's Company'? Nothing. Adding a numeric figure doesn't add or detract anything from the fluff. If you like it, use it. If you dont, dont. Evidence support both options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 Whats the difference between 'Sicarius' Company' and 'Ragnar's Company'? Nothing. Adding a numeric figure doesn't add or detract anything from the fluff. If you like it, use it. If you dont, dont. Evidence support both options. Bah! It was just a matter of time before one you whiny Vanilla Marines came in here to cry! We are discussing if the SW has an equivalent of a "First" company, I.E., a veteran company. We are not discussing if Ragnar's Great Company is better then Sicarius' because we already know that. Hell, even our thralls are better then Sicarius' company. As far as I can tell, the closest that we have to a true "First" company would be the existing company of whoever happens to be elevated to Great Wolf. So currently, Logan Grimnar's Great Company would be considered the First Company, with just the addition of the priesthoods and dreads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Ramses, he's talking about how Sicarius's Company is the superstar company of the Ultramarines, much like Ragnar's, and how it doesn't matter the number of the company, just the fame. Sicarius could be captain of the 5th and have the same fame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 We are discussing if the SW has an equivalent of a "First" company, I.E., a veteran company. We are not discussing if Ragnar's Great Company is better then Sicarius' because we already know that. Hell, even our thralls are better then Sicarius' company. LMAO at the thralls comment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 Ramses, he's talking about how Sicarius's Company is the superstar company of the Ultramarines, much like Ragnar's, and how it doesn't matter the number of the company, just the fame. Sicarius could be captain of the 5th and have the same fame. I know. Sicarius is not even the captain of the UM First Company, but why miss out on a chance to trash talk? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 How can one company be favored above a other, who is the one favoring? There is only one Big cheese and he has his own great company so he would be a bit bias. And what if the great leader of the "favored" company is killed and they get a new lord that has a way different style, he than fall from favor? I dont see that working with the way the wolves run things, they have there own small army in a army and most favored is to be a wolfguard in your own company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 yeah it does not mesh with the way wolves work In the space wolves you are promoted within your own company I think the Company number for the wolves is just that a number for quick indentification. an example of this would like the 21 regiment is the SAS its not the 21st best regiment (its probably the best)in the army thats just its number not its ranking compared to rest unlike codex chapters where if your good you are promoted to a better company this gives these companies a higher prestige Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 100 percent agree with eyeslikethunder and max dammit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 But having a number doesn't really mean anything either. It's just a number. Grimmer being Jarl of Onn does literally nothing in the overall scheme of things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmurph Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Prospero Burns also seems to have been trying to change things about the SWs. The implication of a "1st" company is something you would expect with a Codex Chapter, not really a Legion or any of the non-Codex chapters. I chalk it up to somewhat poor writing and research. As to a "favored" company, I think it would be hard for any Great Wolf to not favor his company. And since Logan is known to keep company with the old grizzled vets, it would not surprise me if his company had a larger percentage of WG and LFs. Of course, he is no fool and since the different wolf lords and their companies have different strengths and are deployed as such, I doubt it has much real implication. All the lords seem to have a great deal of autonomy, but all seem to quickly act as Space Wolves first and foremost, regardless of company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 The Space Wolves, AKA the Vlka Fenryka, have changed over time. Apparently there was an equivalent to a First Company before Leman Russ could truly shape the Legion to his own liking, probably after the Heresy was fought out on Terra, and aboard Horus' Battle Barge. What I am starting to notice, is that once the Wolf Helm of Russ became an item that could be earned, I think it is mentioned in the book, "Battle of the Fang" that the Great Companies are determined by the Wolf Lord order coming back to claim it, in both a feat of the hunt, and later, once back, a feat of arms, if need be. I could be wrong, but I think it was in the middle to the front part of the book. I shall have to look this up; I think we have two writers, writing modern fluff for their time periods in the books they wrote. Abnett seems to have decided there was more of the normal Legion structure due to the Legions being quite new, and Wraight seems to have settled upon a version that is more to the M36/37 (whichever it is) era SW's. At least, this is what I notice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/249970-more-prospero-burns-revelations/#findComment-3030792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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