archangel23 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I finished the Battle of the Fang last night, Again. I have been struck by the thought of, and comment made by, Magnus on the whereabouts of the Wolf King. I have always figured when Russ left he made for The Eye of Terror. The fact that the traitor knows where Russ is disturbs me. If he does indeed know where he is could it be possible he knows exactly where the other Primarchs are? What I mean to say is does he know where Vulkan, Khan and Corax are as well. While they are not Wolves it did make me wonder. On the matter of the Wolf King where do you think he is? Thoughts and comments please. I'm curious to see what my brothers thoughts on this are. So forgive me if this has been covered before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I finished the Battle of the Fang last night, Again. I have been struck by the thought of, and comment made by, Magnus on the whereabouts of the Wolf King. I have always figured when Russ left he made for The Eye of Terror... I'm not sure what the Black Library authors might eventually say about him, but the Studio has never said, exactly. They've only hinted at a few possibilities: "No one knows what happened to Leman Russ. Some say he disappered in the Eye of Terror while searching for his old friend and rival, the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Some say that he was on a secret mission from the Emperor when he was slain in battle by a Greater Daemon of Chaos, and that his spirit is lost in the warp. Others say that, to this day, he walks disguised among mankind, watching over the people of his Emperor and guarding them from the Power of Chaos." WD 246 We don't know that he did, in fact, make for the Eye of Terror, but we do know that his armour was recovered near there: "The second Great Hunt led to the recovery of Russ's armor from the Temple of Horus on Rudra on the edge of the Eye of Terror." WD 246 On the matter of the Wolf King where do you think he is? Thoughts and comments please. I've always said that he is long-since dead. We have gone round and round on this point here in the Fang, so I won't make the same old arguments again, but Russ said he was dying, so I believe him. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I can't remember where, but I thought he left to look for the tree of life to restore the Emperor. From the Battle of the Fang it sounds like at the time he was alive but in a very bad place. However, keep in mind that is "history" and Russ may have perished, freed himself, or may still be captive. I'd like to think he has freed himself and is directing efforts of the 13th Company in their "rebellion" in the EoT. OR, as a defense to being doused in chaos the canis genes in him have transformed him and he's running around the Eye butt naked, in half wolf form, dining on chaos marines and daemons. He can't fulfill his oath to return for the Wolftime if he's dead, so that couldn't have happened. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I can't remember where, but I thought he left to look for the tree of life to restore the Emperor. From the Battle of the Fang it sounds like at the time he was alive but in a very bad place. However, keep in mind that is "history" and Russ may have perished, freed himself, or may still be captive. I'd like to think he has freed himself and is directing efforts of the 13th Company in their "rebellion" in the EoT. OR, as a defense to being doused in chaos the canis genes in him have transformed him and he's running around the Eye butt naked, in half wolf form, dining on chaos marines and daemons. He can't fulfill his oath to return for the Wolftime if he's dead, so that couldn't have happened. :D The tree of life is old fluff.. classic! also note that Russ has a cloak that can move him in the land of the living and in the dead. Me think's he's stuck in the warp or webway of some sort, hasn't aged nor has time changed for the guy.. just like for the 13th Company. I believe he is alive, as Lord Rag's said.. he made an oath to return for the wolf-time, and Russ is not an oath breaker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I had written a bit of fluff a long time ago with Russ, explaining how his armor had been found at a Chaos temple. I will try and find it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 He can't fulfill his oath to return for the Wolftime if he's dead, so that couldn't have happened. ;) That's where I disagree, Rags; I think you underestimate our Primarch. He says himself that no matter what realm of death hold him, and no matter the laws of life and death, he'll come back anyway. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDragon66 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Remember though that Magnus was the only Primarch I beleive that could read the future, except for the Emperor of course. So his knowledge of all things secrest and "lost" is goint to be much more extinsive than anyone elses......its his major strength as a primarch. IronDragon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 It matters not where the Wolf King resides, he made an Oath to his sons, and we shall rally behind the Great Wolf in the End of Times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Remember though that Magnus was the only Primarch I beleive that could read the future, except for the Emperor of course. So his knowledge of all things secrest and "lost" is goint to be much more extinsive than anyone elses......its his major strength as a primarch. IronDragon66 Yes your right, and by that logic alone... Magnus was able to foresee his planet fall into ashes, have his mortal body broken by Russ, and see his brothers turn traitor, ohh and ultimately have his legion become smaller bands of knowledge thieves. Yup, his major strength indeed. Knowledge is power, but he was still unable to change what he could read seeing into the future. --EDIT-- Sanguinius was also able to foresee the future. He knew that he would fall if he faced against Horus, but he did it anyway. I call that brave and valiant. The difference between Magnus and Sanguinius is... Magnus was just over-confident, arrogant and also naive with his 'knowledge'. There is a difference between brave and foolish. Magnus was just foolish altogether. But enough about Magnus, we're talking about Russ here! back on topic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 There was an event at one of the GTs in Baltimore that I was dying to go to back in the day. A 'nid splinter fleet made it to Fenris and was going to harvest their target....LEMAN RUSS. Only problem was that the Wolves knew about it and well decided that the Primarch was better off doing his thing alone so they got stuck in. I couldn't raise the cash to go and never heard another thing about it again. Maybe some of the other Long Fangs round here may be able to dig up what I am talking about because I never saw another thing about it again. This would have been in WD 220-250ish. That makes sense to me, Mags was never quite right in the head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDragon66 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Remember though that Magnus was the only Primarch I beleive that could read the future, except for the Emperor of course. So his knowledge of all things secrest and "lost" is goint to be much more extinsive than anyone elses......its his major strength as a primarch. IronDragon66 Yes your right, and by that logic alone... Magnus was able to foresee his planet fall into ashes, have his mortal body broken by Russ, and see his brothers turn traitor, ohh and ultimately have his legion become smaller bands of knowledge thieves. Yup, his major strength indeed. Knowledge is power, but he was still unable to change what he could read seeing into the future. --EDIT-- Sanguinius was also able to foresee the future. He knew that he would fall if he faced against Horus, but he did it anyway. I call that brave and valiant. The difference between Magnus and Sanguinius is... Magnus was just over-confident, arrogant and also naive with his 'knowledge'. There is a difference between brave and foolish. Magnus was just foolish altogether. But enough about Magnus, we're talking about Russ here! back on topic Im still sticking by this is his strength........ - His ultimate goal has nothing to do with his chapter, he ascended to Demonhood and is one of Tzeentch's "chosen" So his chapter is merely a tool in whatever he and Tzeentch have in plan for the universe :) IronDrgaon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Im still sticking by this is his strength........ - His ultimate goal has nothing to do with his chapter, he ascended to Demonhood and is one of Tzeentch's "chosen" So his chapter is merely a tool in whatever he and Tzeentch have in plan for the universe :cuss IronDrgaon66 Brother, please inform your fellow chapter of the Fang your current location. We will further discuss this in private. ----------+++ ----------+++ ----- Incoming Transmission to all Sons of Russ, When the heretic gives his locale we shall quickly purge his rambles of madness and all those in his council. -Brother Wolfbane Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDragon66 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 lol, oh im no heretic.....just wanted to try and clarify the canon :cuss IronDragon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 He can't fulfill his oath to return for the Wolftime if he's dead, so that couldn't have happened. ;) That's where I disagree, Rags; I think you underestimate our Primarch. He says himself that no matter what realm of death hold him, and no matter the laws of life and death, he'll come back anyway. V I stand corrected! :) That is a bit more epic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Did he not have pelt of morkai which allowed to pass through gates of death Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 lol, oh im no heretic.....just wanted to try and clarify the canon :lol: IronDragon66 That is not what you said in the Chaos Forums! *cackles* I am kidding, of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDragon66 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 LOL awwww thats not fair, Brother Nihm is trying to get me :D - Im a Raptor player so :P IronDragon66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I'm in the group that thinks Russ is somewhere in the warp, killing traitors, looking for ale, and wondering where in hell (literally, not cursing) his armor went. Those chaos primarchs we haven't heard from in a while? Some of their heads are hanging from Russ's belt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 He can't fulfill his oath to return for the Wolftime if he's dead, so that couldn't have happened. ;) That's where I disagree, Rags; I think you underestimate our Primarch. He says himself that no matter what realm of death hold him, and no matter the laws of life and death, he'll come back anyway. V I stand corrected! :lol: That is a bit more epic. I think it's more epic to think of it that way, too. Reminds me of Kronos fighting his way out of Hades to free himself from the bonds of death to reenter the world of the living to take care of his unfinished business (from the God of War series of video games). Imagine the look of surprise on Magnus' face when Russ confronts him at the End Times: MAGNUS: "But, but, you're supposed to be dead!" RUSS: "I was....but, I've come back for your head." "RAAAWRRR!" V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elithren Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I like Jonas' idea about it since he left so soon after the heresy was finished and the legions reorganized. Russ and the wolves were bred/created to be the Emperor's executioners and I believe that is an inbuilt trait in the gene seed. While Russ may not like the job, (cant remember where but he is recorded in the HH books of saying he already had to remove or "lose" two brothers, meaning the primarchs, and didn't want to have to remove another). It is quite possible that his feelings about the Emperor and the calling of his role given demanded that he set out to do just that, execute the traitors. So he headed to the warp and has been hunting down the traitor primarchs. And a side, personal hope, beating down Draigo every time he gets "sucked" back into the warp. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I always thought he was the mysterious stranger, shrouded in rags, thats leading the 13nth company every closer to terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3030858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel23 Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 While Russ may not like the job, (cant remember where but he is recorded in the HH books of saying he already had to remove or "lose" two brothers, meaning the primarchs, and didn't want to have to remove another). It is quite possible that his feelings about the Emperor and the calling of his role given demanded that he set out to do just that, execute the traitors. So he headed to the warp and has been hunting down the traitor primarchs. And a side, personal hope, beating down Draigo every time he gets "sucked" back into the warp. :D Which could explain why the 2nd and 11th Legions are not spoken of leading to them being deleted. I believe he mentioned it in Prospero Burns but I could be wrong. There was also a point where he was talking to Magnus before the assault. Not suprising that he did not get a replay. I like to believe he's taking heads too. Haven't heard much about Angron in a while. If we are lucky Khorne got pissed at him for getting his arse kicked in on Armageddon in the first war. As a side note, imagine how ticked he would be running around the "Eye half naked". Now imagine the shock value. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3031049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeenos Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Wasnt there a bit about him being in stasis with the Eldar? Not sure where i read that bit. Either captured by them, or requested a good freezing tell the end times. *shrug* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3031172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I like Jonas' idea about it since he left so soon after the heresy was finished and the legions reorganized. He didn't leave until 197 years after Horus was killed, and the Emperor interred to the Golden Throne, so he didn't leave all that soon after the Heresy ended. Wasnt there a bit about him being in stasis with the Eldar? Not sure where i read that bit. Either captured by them, or requested a good freezing tell the end times. *shrug* I certainly don't recall ever reading anything like that. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3031564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I like Jonas' idea about it since he left so soon after the heresy was finished and the legions reorganized. He didn't leave until 197 years after Horus was killed, and the Emperor interred to the Golden Throne, so he didn't leave all that soon after the Heresy ended. Wasnt there a bit about him being in stasis with the Eldar? Not sure where i read that bit. Either captured by them, or requested a good freezing tell the end times. *shrug* I certainly don't recall ever reading anything like that. V Maybe he means the khan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250016-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-3031582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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