Brother Captain Andrew Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Hi everyone, I decided to make my first chapter and one of the concepts that I had was a chapter of marines carrying the pariah gene. As of right now I've tried to find everything that I can but I can't find an answer as to if this would be a problem. I know that the Pariah gene is rare, but is it to rare even when we talk about the quadrillions of people in the imperium? and would the pariah gene react with the progenoid to an extent where they couldn't be marines? Thanks guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeoilSage Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Hard to say--the history of the Necrons has been completely changed and the Pariahs are no longer part of their army. It might be that Games Workshop is planning to retcon them out of existence, or change them into just a unique type of psyker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3031157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Hard to say--the history of the Necrons has been completely changed and the Pariahs are no longer part of their army. It might be that Games Workshop is planning to retcon them out of existence, or change them into just a unique type of psyker. I hope it the latter since the Pariahs are unique in its own sense. Well anyway, it interesting to have marines that have the Pariah gene however there is a problem, considering this gene is so rare how do the chapter look for these traits that are so unique? I see the chapter as a Fleet based chapter but considering that it is the pariah gene, they could be extremely low on number near 'death'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3031170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Andrew Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Well anyway, it interesting to have marines that have the Pariah gene however there is a problem, considering this gene is so rare how do the chapter look for these traits that are so unique? I see the chapter as a Fleet based chapter but considering that it is the pariah gene, they could be extremely low on number near 'death'. The problem of finding recruits was one of my biggest roadblock. The idea for the chapter came after reading some exorcists fluff, and originated as a kind of bizarro version of the Exorcists. The Inquisition intervened and experimented with the creation of multiple chapters during the dark (13th) founding. In this instance the Ordo Xenos was the primary force for the creation. Therefore, the chapter has strong ties to the Inquisition and could help with recruitment and finding pariahs. The chapter is definitely fleet based, and is likely to be more of a small elite force. Something similar to the GK (not using GK codex obviously) in that they are very well equipped, but instead of being a large chapter they would be like half of a chapter potentially, not at chapter death level but not definitely no larger than an codex chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3031195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 If the mutation is present in the gene-seed and not in the host then that negates the rarity problem. However you would have to off set it with some hideous side effects to answer the inevitable questions of why this bloodline is not in mass circulation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3031598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Andrew Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 If the mutation is present in the gene-seed and not in the host then that negates the rarity problem. However you would have to off set it with some hideous side effects to answer the inevitable questions of why this bloodline is not in mass circulation. True, but I'm not sure how much more side effects would be needed. Its named the pariah gene for a reason. These would be kind like Black Templars in a bad mood. Everyone they meet would be uncomfortable at a minimum, often times leading to a strong dislike for the marines (often cited in black library stuff, Jurgen in the Cain books, The psy hunter's companion in Outcast Dead), in other words they would have strained relationships with just about every institution of the imperium, other chapters, the guard, the populace those they are trying to protect, kind like the batman of space marine chapters. Not to mention the fact that they would clearly be a fleet based chapter with Astropath and Navigator issues, as well as lacking a Librarium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3031699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 If the mutation is present in the gene-seed and not in the host then that negates the rarity problem. However you would have to off set it with some hideous side effects to answer the inevitable questions of why this bloodline is not in mass circulation. True, but I'm not sure how much more side effects would be needed. Its named the pariah gene for a reason. These would be kind like Black Templars in a bad mood. Everyone they meet would be uncomfortable at a minimum, often times leading to a strong dislike for the marines (often cited in black library stuff, Jurgen in the Cain books, The psy hunter's companion in Outcast Dead), in other words they would have strained relationships with just about every institution of the imperium, other chapters, the guard, the populace those they are trying to protect, kind like the batman of space marine chapters. Not to mention the fact that they would clearly be a fleet based chapter with Astropath and Navigator issues, as well as lacking a Librarium. And yet Inquisitor Eisenhorn, a psyker, managed to stay around Alizibeth Bequin and even become infatuated with her. And allowed her to form a small army of them that he fought alongside. The inherent prejudice can be overcome with effort it would seen. As you can also see with Cain and his changing attitudes towards Jurgen through his career. Starts out as barely tolerating him, ends up as the nearest a Commissar can have to a friend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3031712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Andrew Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 If the mutation is present in the gene-seed and not in the host then that negates the rarity problem. However you would have to off set it with some hideous side effects to answer the inevitable questions of why this bloodline is not in mass circulation. True, but I'm not sure how much more side effects would be needed. Its named the pariah gene for a reason. These would be kind like Black Templars in a bad mood. Everyone they meet would be uncomfortable at a minimum, often times leading to a strong dislike for the marines (often cited in black library stuff, Jurgen in the Cain books, The psy hunter's companion in Outcast Dead), in other words they would have strained relationships with just about every institution of the imperium, other chapters, the guard, the populace those they are trying to protect, kind like the batman of space marine chapters. Not to mention the fact that they would clearly be a fleet based chapter with Astropath and Navigator issues, as well as lacking a Librarium. And yet Inquisitor Eisenhorn, a psyker, managed to stay around Alizibeth Bequin and even become infatuated with her. And allowed her to form a small army of them that he fought alongside. The inherent prejudice can be overcome with effort it would seen. As you can also see with Cain and his changing attitudes towards Jurgen through his career. Starts out as barely tolerating him, ends up as the nearest a Commissar can have to a friend. good point, I actually haven't read Eisenhorn so I did not know that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3031722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings of Fury Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 at one point i was going to do a missing legion army that was headed up by a pariah primarch sort of a way of controlling magus if he every got out of hand and smashing demons( which big E knows about but denies the existance of in 31k) but ended up getting loads of ;) off ppl on here and in my local gw so i gave up My idea was that they where the proto grey knights just like thunder warriors are proto astartes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3048893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromat Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 at one point i was going to do a missing legion army that was headed up by a pariah primarch sort of a way of controlling magus if he every got out of hand and smashing demons( which big E knows about but denies the existance of in 31k) but ended up getting loads of :D off ppl on here and in my local gw so i gave up My idea was that they where the proto grey knights just like thunder warriors are proto astartes I'm glad you abandoned this project. It would have gotten you entirely the wrong kind of attention. As far as making an army of pariahs goes, go you! I personally have no problem with the new Necrons, or any of Matt Ward's work, but I haven't been playing for that long either. One thing I'd like to know though is how would these guys behave? If none of them have a presence in the warp and in essence have no souls, how do other people see them besides being uncomfortable. How would they see themselves in regards to the rest of humanity? Something to think about if you end up creating an IA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250084-pariah-marines/#findComment-3049953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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