Pariah Mk.231 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 So, I've finally decided what I want to do for my loyalists: Minotaurs. I plan on using Codex: Space Wolves for my list since it seems to fit their aggressiveness best, as well as their tendancy to quickly pump out the recruits with less training/more psycho-indoctrination which can be represented well with blood claws. Here's one of the main reasons I'm going with that codex though, I plan on using the Moloc model from Forgeworld (Minotaurs chapter master) and I love his storm shield/power spear look and want to have him accompanied by a 7 man terminator squad kitted the same way, rolling in a Crusader. No other marine codex will let me take a power weapon/storm shield combo on terminators, hence the puppies. My problem now however, is I need to find a way to make 6 power spears (last guy will have some form of heavy weapon) and 6 Greek-themed storm shields for them. If I could find a way to get my hands on more of Moloc's weapons without having to buy more of the whole model I would happily do so as it makes my job so much easier, but since that is likely out of the question, I'll probably have to go the old fashioned route. Conversion. So, does anyone have any tips for help me through this task? The best place to start on the spears? The best shields to use? The Grey Knight force halberds look like they could do the trick, but then I'd need something convincing to replace the heads with. Is there another method or any suggestion for new spear heads? As for the shields, I'm stumped. I want something oval shaped rather than the standard storm shields, but nothing in the GW range seems to fit. Is there somewhere else I can look, or at least a better shield to start with? Thanks in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You've looked through the Warhammer Fantasy Battle armies? Pretty much every army has some miniatures with spear-like weapons which you could probably tech-up a bit with (guitar)wire and Green Stuff...shields too, perhaps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 how about this.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kromlech-Vibro-Gla...=item230bafbdaa or buy the newer Grey Knight terminator box, their halbards look very spear like. Edit: to add in Gk info. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 You've looked through the Warhammer Fantasy Battle armies? Pretty much every army has some miniatures with spear-like weapons which you could probably tech-up a bit with (guitar)wire and Green Stuff...shields too, perhaps. I have indeed. The high elf spears fit what I'm going for but seem like they'd be WAY too small wielded by a terminator, same with the silver lancers. The high elf prince lance looks possible, seems slightly bigger than the silver lances, any ideas how well it sizes up next to a terminator? Other than that, nothing in the Fantasy range really struck me as appropriate. Same goes for shields, nothing really appropriate in the Fantasy range. I guess I'll be going outside GW for those, apparently the Scibor spartan shields work well, but I was hoping to use this for tourney's. Could I get away with that? Haven't played in a tourney before so I have no idea where they tend to stand on non-GW bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Normish Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Or, for a cheap alternative, you could get some toothpicks and glue the blades of power swords and combat knives onto them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I guess I'll be going outside GW for those, apparently the Scibor spartan shields work well, but I was hoping to use this for tourney's. Could I get away with that? Haven't played in a tourney before so I have no idea where they tend to stand on non-GW bits. If I remember correctly, 60% of the model (not including base) must be GW. Even with the big scibor shields you should be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 The Chaos Terminator Lord kit has a power staff thing that could easily be converted to a spear. It has the benefit of also being already a Terminator bit, and should be readily available from bits sites. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChromeZephyr Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 1)Bits order some power swords 2)buy some appropriately-sized styrene rods (I'd think 2mm or 2.5mm would be the best size, but I'm away from my modelling desk so can't tell for sure) or use the standard-bearer pole from the command squad box 3)Combine 4)??? 5)PROFIT! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker8 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Spears are rather easy to do once you figure out the bits to do them. I tend to use all GW bits since I have so many and anything I don;t have I know some one who does. For the shaft, you can cut up fantasy spears or use brass or plastic rod. For the head you can use just about any bladed weapon, I've used fantasy Dark and high elf blades rather often, along with a few SM combat blades and cut down power weapons and a few hand made ones from plastic stock. To give non power weapon based blades the look I graft the blade onto something that looks power weaponish before attaching it to the shaft, I like to use chainsword power packs and the power cell from power axes but there are quite a few bits that also work with a bit of carving. Any grip can be done by wraping the shaft in a bit of GS and sculpting in the detail you want. The butt you can GS or use a bit that makes you happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 @Pariah Mk.231 you should contact Sir Tancrede about his Spears of Ilios DIY chapter he uses the SW codex to represent greek style marine with shield spear combo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Having just refreashed myself on Molocs spear, it looks very much like a Gladius, and I remember a post in Amicus not so long ago regarding a 3rd party Gladius set. I'll turn on my search-fu and edit in a linky. Cheers, Jono EDIT: Post #6 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=247272 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've had a chance to compare the lance from the high elf prince kit to a terminator, that should work out nicely for size and give me the style I want when replacing the blade from the grey knight terminator halberds. @Jacinda: 60% is good to know, means I can get away with a few headswaps too. Thanks. Right, Scibor shield it is then. Hmm, small or large? Large for termies, small for power armour maybe? Could do. @Grotsmasha: Those swords look kind of cool, should work nicely on the blood claws. Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Scribor for sure for the heads and shields, GK halberds are still your best bet for the weapons though. http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?group=72 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 Scribor for sure for the heads and shields, GK halberds are still your best bet for the weapons though. http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?group=72 I'll be using these for the headswaps, not a fan of the Scibor heads, don't look like they'd go well with power armour. Not sure what to use for the termie head swaps though, or if I even can since I'll be using the new forgeworld termies and they don't look very headswap-friendly. Might just snip the crests off those helmets and pop them in to bring them more in line with Moloc. Anything better out there for the termie heads that will fit in the Tartaros pattern? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg033 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 i was playing around with spears a while ago - these never really got past the bluetac stage using command squad banner pole and hand, terminator thunder hammer power section (planned to add some guitar wire to where the power cables were) and a DA terminator sergent sword. always felt the banner pole part was too plain and was going to change it for something else. i was also paying around with this as something between a spear and sword again DA terminator sergent sword but with the power staff from the chaos terminator lord - i had planned working on this more and using it as part o a vulkan stand in but never got that far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterdyne Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 If you're doing Minotaurs and you can wait a bit for spears, these will be posted off to my caster today: http://www.winterdyne.co.uk/products/cretian_set_preview.jpg Pricing will be similar to the Spartan Set (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=249314) (about £4.50 a set from ebay, £3.00 direct (plus P&P)). The sword is a fairly accurate (1500BC ish) ancient Greek (Crete) design. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3032844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 i was also paying around with this as something between a spear and sword again DA terminator sergent sword but with the power staff from the chaos terminator lord - i had planned working on this more and using it as part o a vulkan stand in but never got that far. That is one cool sword. Looks like a really good relic blade conversion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3033151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 If you're doing Minotaurs and you can wait a bit for spears, these will be posted off to my caster today: http://www.winterdyne.co.uk/products/cretian_set_preview.jpg Pricing will be similar to the Spartan Set (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=249314) (about £4.50 a set from ebay, £3.00 direct (plus P&P)). The sword is a fairly accurate (1500BC ish) ancient Greek (Crete) design. Not quite what I was looking for, sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3033335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 This is something I've been thinking about myself. Having splashed out 30 quid on moloc I'm wanting a decent looking terminator retinue to go with him. I'm thinking the grey knight termis would be a good base to start on. A little filing and cutting on any ordo or inquisitorial heraldry, Minotaur Shoulder pads from forge world, The shields form scibor and a head swap. Maybe using the high elf prince spear or sword as mentioned change the nemesis halbeards into decent looking power spears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3034249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 This is something I've been thinking about myself. Having splashed out 30 quid on moloc I'm wanting a decent looking terminator retinue to go with him. I'm thinking the grey knight termis would be a good base to start on. A little filing and cutting on any ordo or inquisitorial heraldry, Minotaur Shoulder pads from forge world, The shields form scibor and a head swap. Maybe using the high elf prince spear or sword as mentioned change the nemesis halbeards into decent looking power spears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3034303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 I have never done a spear conversion, but while reading this thread my reptile/conversion brain took over. I recall I have done some Banners with cloths hangers. Am thinking out-loud here. A suitable length of cloths hanger, some GS, and a chopped sword/knife bit. Instant spear??? I am actually thinking more of a Naginata though. Do you want this too be a one time use ranged weapon, or a CC weapon? I ask this because a spear is usually equated with a weapon that is launched at range much like a javelin. **edit, clarity** Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3034666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 http://www.ancientmilitary.com/spartan-weapons.htm A good source maybe help with ideas. It was annoying me ever so slightly that people I think here and on other minotaur topics mentioned the gladius as a sword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3034803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 http://www.ancientmilitary.com/spartan-weapons.htm A good source maybe help with ideas. It was annoying me ever so slightly that people I think here and on other minotaur topics mentioned the gladius as a sword. That might have something to do with the fact that a traditional Gladius is a sword. If a Minotaur Gladius is not a sword you've only FW/GW to blame for the confusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3035197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterdyne Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Gladius is one of the major latin words for 'sword', and refers to a very particular design pattern. It's unlikely that FW would try to redefine it. I think what the emperor is scottish is trying to say is that the Cretians (Minotaur is a Cretian legend) didn't use a sword of that design - that was the Romans, and much later than the period being drawn on for Minoataurs styling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3035276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onipunk Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I think that Sir Tancrede's method looks the best, especially since he has the Greek style nailed down for his DIY. Also, I've made that mistake myself, I thought that the gladius style of sword looked like the Xiphos, glad I won't be making that mistake again...although happily the swords I was planning on using for my Minotaurs look far more likes Xiphoses anyway :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250166-power-spears/#findComment-3035412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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