Gentlemanloser Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 i dont want my armies to have the same thing. AMEN FW!!! Wait a min. *every* other Marine army gets it, even Bangles (without the Fast), Blacks Templars, Dangles, SW, all of them. But FW leave out GK and that's great! Makes the Demios 'unique'? No, I don't get it... Edit: As for 'whining', I'm not. I think it's humerous in a very sad kind of way. I can't but laugh as FW and what they have been releasing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Deimos? I love the Deimos. It makes my FW Exorcist look just like my Mk1 conversion! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 i dont want my armies to have the same thing. AMEN FW!!! Wait a min. *every* other Marine army gets it, even Bangles (without the Fast), Blacks Templars, Dangles, SW, all of them. But FW leave out GK and that's great! Makes the Demios 'unique'? No, I don't get it... Edit: As for 'whining', I'm not. I think it's humerous in a very sad kind of way. I can't but laugh as FW and what they have been releasing. do i need to go back and show you all the "we dont get this posts" if thats not whining when you want it you have a jacked up sense of words. DEAL YOU DONT GET IT! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I don't think you get it. I *don't* want the Demios. I just fnd it laughable the amount of *marine* stuff FW is releasing, that they are denying to a Marine Chapter. Yeah, yeah, Ward never gave us Ped's. No one got Assault Rams in thier Codex... It's forgeworld, it doesn't matter *what* you have in your Dex.. And no, I don't get your unique point. You don't want to use it, then just don't use it. There's no worth denying it to people that want it, just becuase you want to be a special snowflake. Especially as it's not unique, becuase everyone else has access to it.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 There's a minor difference between a variant of a tank that IS in the other codices, and an entirely new vehicle. The Caestus Assault Ram is one of the silliest things to come out of Forge World in a long time. It's a fricken ship-to-ship weapon, not a battlefield vehicle! It's not in ANY codex because it's got no right being inside a planetary atmosphere! Yes, Grey Knights have as much right to it as any Marine chapter. However, for the Deimos predator - it's a Predator variant! You don't get Predators, why should you get variants? Now, if FW released a Chimera variant for Guard and not GK, then you'd have grounds to complain, but this is totally different. Grey Knights are not Marines, however. They are Marine Equivalents - MEq - but they are not Marines. They are something else. They are Grey Knights. GK don't have a Betcher's Gland, to my knowledge, or the sensory gibbet that lets them taste memories. They're similar. They have similar game stats. But they aren't really Marines any more than Sisters of Battle are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 They are Marines. Chapter 666 of the Index Astartes. You can't be in the Index Astartes if you're not a Space Marine Chapter. You don't get Predators, why should you get variants? We don't (and didn't) get Drop Pods, yet FW made them an option for our Dreads, in fact, if you still allow the IA2 Dread to be taken, we can still get Drop Pods for our Dreads (in before it's outdated rules, updated by the new Codex...). It's FW. You don't have to have it in your Codex, for FW to make it an option for you. Yes, Grey Knights have as much right to it as any Marine chapter. Indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 They are Marines. Chapter 666 of the Index Astartes. You can't be in the Index Astartes if you're not a Space Marine Chapter. You don't get Predators, why should you get variants? We don't (and didn't) get Drop Pods, yet FW made them an option for our Dreads, in fact, if you still allow the IA2 Dread to be taken, we can still get Drop Pods for our Dreads (in before it's outdated rules, updated by the new Codex...). It's FW. You don't have to have it in your Codex, for FW to make it an option for you. Yes, Grey Knights have as much right to it as any Marine chapter. Indeed. not all marines follow the Codex Astartes though. so really, whining some more about something that doesnt matter. GK cant have preds. cant have a deimos. to bad. move on. dont need it anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 not all marines follow the Codex Astartes though. Of course not. That's why we have 'divergent' chapters. That wasn't the question though. so really, whining some more about something that doesnt matter. GK cant have preds. cant have a deimos. to bad. move on. dont need it anyway. Again with whining... No one *needs* anything by FW, do they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 apparently you do...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I *don't* want the Demios. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3045791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 No, but you do want the Storm Eagle this thread is about... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 There are also rumours of a new plastic Space Marine flyer being released this June, which might turn out to be another nice alternative Stormraven model (assuming they're also not made available to GK as-is). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 No, but you do want the Storm Eagle this thread is about... No I haven't. Where have I said that in this thread? Where have I even implied it? My comments in this thread have been totally about FW's current policy of releasing Marine stuff and denying it to the GKs. Seemingly only becuase we're the newest Dex and have all the toys already... I don't like Storm Ravens. I don't like Storm Eagles. I don't like Preds. I do like the Contemptor though, but would use it as a GK Dread and not a FW Contemptor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 GL I think, you've said your piece - and repeated it countless times. I think we all understand that: A ) You want all marine chapters to have access to the same stuff. B ) You want all marine chapters to be unique and snowflakey. A and B aren't really compatible, since uniqueness comes partly from having unique models/playstyle. So I suggest, you take it up with GW and ask them to combine all the marine 'dexes into one, and then have the uniqueness come from the players' choice of models, colour schemes and personal fluff. Then you can have your tactical squad/paladin/sanguinary guards/thunder wolf/deimos predator armies. I'm personally all for it :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 No, I don't want that at all... Someone else made the 'unique' arguement, not me. I'm happy and glad that different marine armies have thier own, unique stuff, like Thunderfires, Thunderwolves, Sanguinary Guard or the Emperors Champion. Each Marine dex has thier own unique and special stuff. Which is good. Each Marine dex shares the standard imperial armaments, to varying dgrees. I don't like stuff like the GK not having access to Storm Shields and Melta guns, but I accept it for balance reasons. I can hand wave away them not having Preds. That's all good. What I'm bored off and find laughable, is FW releasing add-ons to the imperial armaments, which aren't *needed* in any dex, pure extra accessories, on top of everyone's 'unique' toys, that they for no apparent reaosn, deny to a marine chapter. Seemingly only for sour grapes that GKs have "all the good toys" already. I think it's bad design, petty and unfluffy. I said as much in my first post int his thread, and my stance hasn't changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 You're so wrong. Some armies NEED FW stuff, because of their poor balance. For exemple, Daemons NEED F8 shots, so FW gave them the Decimator. Chaos space marines have the worst FA choices in the game sice 2007. So FW gave them the Hellblade/Helltalon. The idea behind the Storm Eagle is to give to chapters that don't have access to the Stormraven a decent option to field their units. So some stuff are "to be cool to the max", but I really do think that FW is trying to balance things. GK being really op, having no HUGE weakness, unlike the older codices, they don't need anything for now. They may have cool stuff later, but for now, they can wait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 LoL at FW and balance. :huh: Thier stuff is either so bad you'd only use it for fluff, or so good no one would play against it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Very much like everything GW ever released. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 I wouldn't go that far. Apart form 'nids, as a whole, the 5th edition 'dexes are faily well balanced with each other. They in no way need FW extras to even things out. SW need FW goodies to play with IG/Necrons/GK? No, they don't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Sadly, GW's boner for imperials like BA, SW, IG, GK made you believe that 40k is 4 armies battling each other. Well it's not the case. Necrons and DE are the balanced codices of the edition. Other armies need FW stuff to compete with those, because their codices don't have any good choice on par with the uber-tier (BA, SW, IG, GK, who are poorly balanced). 40k is not a balanced game, face it, because it's not only 5ed codices, making them that powerful just destroyed any 4ed codices. THIS is poor game design. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Out of date codexes have *always* been left in the dust. That should come as no surprise to anyone. DH and 'crons sucked in 4th, as an out of date 3rd ed codex. They sucked even more in 5th. Until updated. Eldar got updated in 4th and pwned in 4th. Yet sucked through 5th. You even make the point yourself, with Imperial Dex's not needing FW extras. They don't. And let's put GK up with the other 5th Imperial 'dexes (do you include SM, they're a 5th edition Imperial Dex). You yourself say; with the uber-tier (BA, SW, IG, GK, who are poorly balanced). So what makes BA and SW *need* things like the SE/Comtemptor/Ram/Demios, while the last imperial dex on the same tier doesn't get access to them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Out of date codexes have *always* been left in the dust. That should come as no surprise to anyone. the 10 year old SW dex didnt suck..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 True, the 'pamphlet' space wolf codex was epicly awesome, and part of the reason that the current Wolf dex is so easily abusable is because the writers felt that they had to try and outdo it. Long Fangs splitting their fire is NOT new. Regarding forge world and balance; the Tomb Stalker is a nice, middle-of-the-road unit that is neither overpowered (Like those drop pods), nor awful (like D-99). The standard Tauros isn't broken. It's a nice little buggy with fluff AND balance. The Venator is a little more iffy, of course. ^^; The Caestus is neither fluffy nor brokenly powerful. The IA9 Elysian list isn't terrible. In some ways it's more balanced than the standard Guard codex - it has the cool things, and a Vendetta will always be a Vendetta, but it lacks the more hard-hitting tanks and artillery, and can't do the most broken Guard lists (psyker + meltavets in chimeras). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 for that matter the DE book wasnt bad either. So you cant say that all old books are horrible Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3046903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Horrible, no. But not up to par with new edition codexes. IIRC, the SW Dex had a little bit of leway, by being partly based off the SM dex, which got a boost itself when the SM dex was redone. Deldar, had a single good build (again IIRC) which was starting to feel the strain come the start of 5th, where the newer Codexes were pushing the boundaries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250292-newalternative-stormraven-model/page/3/#findComment-3047072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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