Ferrus' Warhammer

[Qarassen]

This is my opinion, but to anyone who has readed "Fulgrim" and the part where they describe Ferrus Manus warhammer, as i said this is just my own opinion, but i get a picture of a huge version of a power/thunderhammer of some sort.

 

And if you look at the book cover-art to the book:

 

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product...per-fulgrim.jpg

 

My question is this: W-T-F is that!? Looks more like a huge wrench of some sort and not a warhammer :S

 

And Fulgrims sword from "Laer" is not 100 % as i portrayed it but 95 %..

 

Not a importent topic but i just had to speak about it ;P

[Coryphaus 101]

I don't think any of those marines are primarchs... The covers don't always show the main/most important part of the story/battle. I think this is just a picture of Istvaan more than a picture of Fulgrim and Ferrus facing off.

[The Colossus]

That's gotta be Ferrus and Fulgrim in the background... Who else would it be? Non standard armour and giant size and the weapons.

[Qarassen]

I don't think any of those marines are primarchs... The covers don't always show the main/most important part of the story/battle. I think this is just a picture of Istvaan more than a picture of Fulgrim and Ferrus facing off.

 

In the top left corner. Thats Fulgrim and Ferrus.

[Aegnor]

Can't see who the OP and Collossus are talking about. There's no-one who looks vaguely like Ferrus Manus in that picture. The EC with no helm and a sword could be a version of Fulgrim, but I severely doubt it (same size as other marines, not nearly ornate enough). Can't see any Primarch-esque figures in the background.

 

As an aside, what is the logo on the shoulder of the presumed Iron Hand swinging the mace? (second from the front on the right). Is that an =I= for the Inquisition? Looks like it, but I'm guessing it's a 1, as in First Company. But I thought the Morlocks all wore TDA. Hmmmm...

 

Edit: Ah, ok, I see where Fulgrim is. I actually didn't look closely at what I thought was a Titan or somthing. (because, there were lots of titans at Istvaan V, right? Right?). I don't think that's Ferrus he's fighting there though. More likely some poor slob in TDA he's slaughtering.

[Black Mage 257]

I didn't actually think that was Fulgrim when I first looked at it, I don't know why I had it in my head that it was Lucius. ;)

[Qarassen]

Can't see who the OP and Collossus are talking about. There's no-one who looks vaguely like Ferrus Manus in that picture. The EC with no helm and a sword could be a version of Fulgrim, but I severely doubt it (same size as other marines, not nearly ornate enough). Can't see any Primarch-esque figures in the background.

 

As an aside, what is the logo on the shoulder of the presumed Iron Hand swinging the mace? (second from the front on the right). Is that an =I= for the Inquisition? Looks like it, but I'm guessing it's a 1, as in First Company. But I thought the Morlocks all wore TDA. Hmmmm...

 

Edit: Ah, ok, I see where Fulgrim is. I actually didn't look closely at what I thought was a Titan or somthing. (because, there were lots of titans at Istvaan V, right? Right?). I don't think that's Ferrus he's fighting there though. More likely some poor slob in TDA he's slaughtering.

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XfKJBgzsfUQ/TVe0iOtInlI/AAAAAAAAANA/XpsAHpFMFJo/s1600/Fulgrim.jpg

 

I can se your point, but i must disagree, but as all of us can see the picture is not scale accurate, because at the bottom of the hill bellow "the fight i belive is ferrus and fulgrim" you can se space maries witch is way to small, the primarch are big, way bigger than a space marine but SO mutch bigger ;P

 

And another fact that makes my opinion that it is ferrus manus is that Fulgrims height is kinda big for a primarch (not as big as Horus but not to far away), and there is no way a space marine can match that. But as i said the picture is not scaleacurate.

[The_son_of_Dorn]

Thats 100% ferrus and Fulgrim, and thats always bugged me how ferrus is portrayed as a mechanic, he sould be weilding a firesword, not a monkey wrench. Ferrus is portrayed as having bare forearms and such, as is that guy, but the way ferrus and Fulgrim are portrayed here is just terrible.

[Mantras]

Um, not wanting to point of the obvious, but the big guy in the background has got HUGE METAL FREAKING HANDS, which unless I am mistaken, quite firmly points him out to be Ferrus. On a side note, yes the hammer sucks, but it might be one of his many weapons or a back up? Just a thought....

[Qarassen]

Btw! If you zoom in on the shoulderpad on the marine in the bottom right corner it stands: "FERRUS MANUS"

[Olis]

I think something people have to keep in perspective here: This is an artist's impression. It's rare for an artist's impression to be spot on accurate, especially in 40k. Bottom line is - it's a pretty picture. Admire it for what it is. :sick:

[Liquidice]

Remember that most art work is done before the book is finished. The author told the artist what he had in mind for the cover, and the artist has free reign from there on.

[The 13th Goat]

Add to that in the original and currently unchanged fluff, Forgebreaker (His Hammer) was given to Perturabo by Horus to bring the Iron Warriors over to his side. It was only in the 13th Black Crusade that the Iron Hands Morlocks were able to recover the artifact from an Iron Warrior Warsmith.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Add to that in the original and currently unchanged fluff, Forgebreaker (His Hammer) was given to Perturabo by Horus to bring the Iron Warriors over to his side. It was only in the 13th Black Crusade that the Iron Hands Morlocks were able to recover the artifact from an Iron Warrior Warsmith.

 

Eh? First I heard of that; what's your reference?

[lokkorex]

i thought the massacre on istvaan didn't happen until after perturabo went back to olympia.

[Brother Nihm]

Cover artists often take a few liberties.

It's all good, don't take them too seriously.

 

Appreciate the ones that rock and get it right instead. :unsure:

[Torvak Kyre]

Add to that in the original and currently unchanged fluff, Forgebreaker (His Hammer) was given to Perturabo by Horus to bring the Iron Warriors over to his side. It was only in the 13th Black Crusade that the Iron Hands Morlocks were able to recover the artifact from an Iron Warrior Warsmith.

 

Eh? First I heard of that; what's your reference?

 

Im not sure if this will help but the last paragraph mentions something close to what the 13th goat said. Linky

[MadDoc]

Im not sure if this will help but the last paragraph mentions something close to what the 13th goat said. Linky

I think Deus Ex Ferrum was after a real reference, so not Lexicanum (Edit- which even stipulates that the information in question is uncited, and therefore of even more dubious reliability).

[Coryphaus 101]

I see Ferrus and Fulgrim now. I was looking at the marines in the centre, thinking they were who you were referring to and (just like Aegnor) not looking at what I thought was a Titan or something.

 

And I thought Fulgrim used Forgebreaker at Istvaan for a bit before switching to his Laeran blade?

[Culebras]

Cover artists often take a few liberties.

It's all good, don't take them too seriously.

 

Appreciate the ones that rock and get it right instead. :confused:

 

 

Also, you have to remember that the people writing the books and the artists drawing the cover aren't always communicating. sometimes, title art can be commissioned while the book is still being drafted so the artist may only have the bare bones of an idea to work off of. ideally, the manuscript will be finished first and then the artist or upper management will pick out a scene to be illustrated for the cover, but that doesn't always happen, especially if you are working on a time crunch.

[Conn Eremon]

It's definitely the Primarchs fighting each other on that hill. Unless there's someone else running around with silver arms. Now that I see a larger picture of it, it definitely does look like a wrench, which I actually find hilarious. On the book, it didn't seem all that out of place to me. It looks like an eagle's head and beak, which is how the warhammer is described. Apparently it's actually an Eaglehead Wrenchhammer. Because why not.

[The Colossus]

The relevant part in Fulgrim (chapter 24) describes Ferrus as using Fireblade, disarming Fulgrim, who was wielding the war hammer, and Fulgrim then uses the Laer blade to behead Ferrus. Ergo the picture is incorrect. Fulgrim should have the wrench-hammer and Ferrus the Sword. However, without knowing this in advance, the artist probably assumed that it would be the other way round- that way, the weapons match the stereotypes of the two Primarchs.

[Qarassen]

The relevant part in Fulgrim (chapter 24) describes Ferrus as using Fireblade, disarming Fulgrim, who was wielding the war hammer, and Fulgrim then uses the Laer blade to behead Ferrus. Ergo the picture is incorrect. Fulgrim should have the wrench-hammer and Ferrus the Sword. However, without knowing this in advance, the artist probably assumed that it would be the other way round- that way, the weapons match the stereotypes of the two Primarchs.

 

Ahh.. remember that now.. But it is still a annoying thing that its a sort of wrenchtool ;P

[Greyall]

It's close to the phenomenon you see in comic covers, where Spider-Man is being held by the rags of his costume by The Scorpion and, once you start to read, the villain lands maybe a punch or two before Spidey fries his brain-tail connections with power cables.

 

Let's assume the artist needed to show two Primarchs and a battle. He opted to put the battle at the forefront of the image, which means the Primarchs at the back had to be easily recognizable. And I'd bet that, if Fulgrim was wielding a hammer and Ferrus a sword, many of us would go :( over it, they're not the weapons associated with said Primarchs and covers are supposed to contain a large dose of symbolism and to be representative, rather than descriptive.

 

Ferrus' wrench can perhaps be explained by the lack of visual clues about him. To my knowledge, there's only one official piece of artwork on Ferrus, by John Blanche, which is awesome (in my opinion) but quite apart from the general notion about him. So Fulgrim's artist (Neil Roberts, right?) had little to work with. He just had to show Ferrus in an instantly recognizable way. He did it well, like it or not.

 

Blanche's art:

 

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2010...ohn_Blanche.jpg

[Kol Saresk]

Qarassen, do you rmember the part in the description that says that the warhammer had wings that were back-swept, to help the hammer head look more like an eagle? Maybe that is what you are seeing and the cover artist simply blurred it to make it look like it was in motion, giving it the wrench appearance.