Dusting off brothers thought lost

[Perpetual Dawn]

So the other day I found a box of old 40k stuff. Amongst them were a classic rhino, land raider and predator. The pred is intact but sadly raider and rhino are missing armaments. Rhinos are easily replaced to former glory with bits found from my original rogue trader marines. The raider on the other hand will require converting with the crusader sprue.

 

The question is given their size is smaller than their current incarnations are the consider still legal to use??

[king tiger 101]

Still gw/citadel miniatures, nobody can deny they are still legal to use, though be careful as I have heard and seen gw tournies refuse them due to the belief they were not gw models, mostly happens due to complete lack of staff knowledge

[MaveriK]

The question is given their size is smaller than their current incarnations are the consider still legal to use??

I don't think it wouldn't/shouldn't matter, since they are official GW pieces. Just realize that no matter what the argument is, for or against your oop rogue trader models are. There will be a definite disadvantage and advantage for both the player and opponent because of their size.

[Perpetual Dawn]

Excellent news. I doubt they will venture as far as any tourneys but with a bit of TLC and a lick of decent paint, as opposed to a blue of a precious chapter ;-) they should serve well.

 

With magnets I may even be able to swap the pred into a rhino.

 

I also found enough missile launchers and other heavy weapons from rt and 2nd edition to make 2 long fang squads with plenty of options. Which means my company can swell to quite a nice size and I can replace the models looking their age at my convenience. Exceptionally useful when trying to save as much as I can at the moment.

 

Should keep me busy for a while as I have nearly finished the battleforce box, and was looking to work on a previosly recovered metal dread and oop Tigris model which was going to lose his head and be replaced with a better one.

 

Thank you all for your replies.

[Forté]

And if they're allowing Forge World rules you can use those as the variants (updated versions of classic armour) to really annoy people :tu:

[Russ Brother 92]

very nice :) I hope we get to see pics of these old beauties at somepoint :) nothing quite like the oop RT tanks and models :(

[Wispy]

If you were my opponent, I promise you I wouldn't be happy about you using the classic vehicles. Most people I've met use them because they're smaller and easier to hind behind scenery.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

i wouldnt care. if its GW or looks sweet you get a pass in my book.

 

WLK

[king tiger 101]

If you were my opponent, I promise you I wouldn't be happy about you using the classic vehicles. Most people I've met use them because they're smaller and easier to hind behind scenery.

Awwwwwwww

[Marshal Wilhelm]

If you were my opponent, I promise you I wouldn't be happy about you using the classic vehicles. Most people I've met use them because they're smaller and easier to hind behind scenery.

If they have bought them before 5th eds. TLoS, it is pretty hard to ping them for it, imo.

But yes, smaller is better if you are in the mindset to take advantage of it.

If you are not proactively exploiting it, it 'should' be a + - thing.... 'should'

:)

 

i wouldnt care. if its GW or looks sweet you get a pass in my book.

 

WLK

 

You are such a powa! gamer. *shakes head*

[Wolfsbane]

As far as I know they are legal, although I believe termies should be on 40mm bases instead of the 25mm they use to be mounted on.

[king tiger 101]

As far as I know they are legal, although I believe termies should be on 40mm bases instead of the 25mm they use to be mounted on.

Models are mounted on bases supplied unless permission is given by opponent, old terminators = 25mm, though they look better on 40mm, but then you need permission

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

@Willie: those are fighting words, cretin!

 

considered yourself challanged in the off chance we ever meet!

 

Good Day!

 

WLK

 

EDIT: spelling

[Wispy]

If you were my opponent, I promise you I wouldn't be happy about you using the classic vehicles. Most people I've met use them because they're smaller and easier to hind behind scenery.

Awwwwwwww

Just being devils advocate. The smaller vehicles have a huge tactical advantage over the newer ones, and a lot of jerk faces exploit it.

 

Now I'm sure Perpetual Dawn isn't a jerk face and just wants to use his property in the game he purchased them for, but he should be aware of what he's doing.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

@Willie: those are fighting words, cretin!

 

considered yourself challanged in the off chance we ever meet!

 

Good Day!

 

WLK

 

EDIT: spelling

 

I am not from Crete, I'll have you know!

 

I do consider myself challenged indeed!

 

I will have a good day - thank you very much!!!11!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps the best day I've ever had in my life. So there!

 

*jangles pen holder to display jangledness*

 

Take that!

[JamesI]

I have never been given trouble for using the smaller tanks, I still have several from when I started in 3rd edition.

 

Now, I did upgrade to modern sized vehicles for major events like Adepticon. So the smaller ones only generally appear when I play a huge game and run out of the modern tanks.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

@Willie: those are fighting words, cretin!

 

considered yourself challanged in the off chance we ever meet!

 

Good Day!

 

WLK

 

EDIT: spelling

 

I am not from Crete, I'll have you know!

 

I do consider myself challenged indeed!

 

I will have a good day - thank you very much!!!11!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps the best day I've ever had in my life. So there!

 

*jangles pen holder to display jangledness*

 

Take that!

 

 

Your a mess, you know that?

 

WLK

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Your a mess, you know that?

 

WLK

 

This is something I am noticing :P

[eyeslikethunder]

I regularly use my collection of rhinos and rbacks from 3rd ed without problems and have never had problems at tournaments.

I have been slowly adding some modern ones

I generally find the smaller size a disadvantage as much as advantage but have seen it combined with dreads well

 

Advantages old rhinos

cover save for tw/autocannon dread no need for Modelling for advantage (i dont own any autocannon dreads but see a few players who raise their autocannons higher on the model mainly GK and codex)

easier to get cover save for rhino but I find this rarely comes up maybe i dont notice it

slimmer size makes it easier to get through gaps

 

Disadv

Higher, larger new ones better for covering infantry

More angled at front and back so harder to create TLos wall

Razorbacks guns higher in new models so can shoot over a friendly rhino with greater ease

[Chodjinn]

If you were my opponent, I promise you I wouldn't be happy about you using the classic vehicles. Most people I've met use them because they're smaller and easier to hind behind scenery.

Awwwwwwww

Just being devils advocate. The smaller vehicles have a huge tactical advantage over the newer ones, and a lot of jerk faces exploit it.

 

Now I'm sure Perpetual Dawn isn't a jerk face and just wants to use his property in the game he purchased them for, but he should be aware of what he's doing.

 

Lol 'huge tactical advantage' what an absolute crock. The rhino/preds are only slightly smaller than the new versions, ok the land raider is a fair bit smaller, but really, stop whinging! If I was in a tourney and my opponent kicked up a fuss over what tanks I was using I'd just walk away and hand them a bye rather than spend several hours playing a game with them. It's about having fun as far as I'm concerned and nothing else.

[king tiger 101]

If you were my opponent, I promise you I wouldn't be happy about you using the classic vehicles. Most people I've met use them because they're smaller and easier to hind behind scenery.

Awwwwwwww

Just being devils advocate. The smaller vehicles have a huge tactical advantage over the newer ones, and a lot of jerk faces exploit it.

 

Now I'm sure Perpetual Dawn isn't a jerk face and just wants to use his property in the game he purchased them for, but he should be aware of what he's doing.

 

Lol 'huge tactical advantage' what an absolute crock. The rhino/preds are only slightly smaller than the new versions, ok the land raider is a fair bit smaller, but really, stop whinging! If I was in a tourney and my opponent kicked up a fuss over what tanks I was using I'd just walk away and hand them a bye rather than spend several hours playing a game with them. It's about having fun as far as I'm concerned and nothing else.

Unfortunately that's the attitude of players today, huge tactical advantage is a load of bull for a GAME OF TOY SOLDIERS, but Hell we are talking about the same type of people who regularly go on about doing models crouching, positioning weapons to gain 2mm of extra range, and all manner of "crock" (can certainly think of harsher words), but hey Ho, this is why 40k is a joke and the game has been utterly ruined,by this anally retentive attitude

[Wispy]

Oh it must be such an indignity for you people to suffer people like me! To think that someone would actually suggest that standardized models be used to avoid grotesque power-gaming! The nerve of him. You poor, souls. Having to have your hobby ruined by someone who disapproves of min-maxing with model sizes. What is the world coming to.

 

Get over yourselves.

 

I feel the older models offer an unfair advantage, especially in a competitive setting. I don't think there is anything unreasonable about that.

[Russ Brother 92]

In response to both/all parties in this 'argument' you're hijacking the guys thread - if you want to a p...ng contest then do it elsewhere - at the end of the day we're all gamers, we don't have to play eachother ya dee ya etc etc.

 

the long and short of it is this: ask the GM beforehand as if they say you can't use them you can't - if they say you can and your opponent argues that decision the bully for them, the GMs decision is final - as far as friendly games are concerned I doubt that anyone would have a problem as they're still GW models albeit older.

[Arez]

Ive used the older rhino variants and no-one has ever had any problems at the local GW store,some people even though it was cool that i was using them.So OP go ahead and use them.

[Khine]

I have a similar situation at the moment. I have an old 3rd edition vindicator that i want to use at a tournament coming up but i know that there are those who will oppose it. So, i sent an email to the TO and talked to him about use of the earlier edition with converted siege shield and the like. He said that it was perfectly acceptable and if any opponents took up issue to bring the matter to his attention. However, he did point out the fact that in this case it would be a clear disadvantage to me as i had planned on hiding a TWC iron priest + cyber wolves behind and suggested i may want to consider the newer version anyway.

 

So, most gamers wont mind but then there are the few who will not like playing you and that is their loss.