Wolf Priest Haelaeif Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I just grabbed my old copy of Codex Angels of Death (from 2nd edition, for the younger folks here) and browsed through the Dark Angel army list, and then I saw it. I was quite amused and thought I'd share. There was a special character that has never had a model made for him (which is probably why I forgot about him): the Grand Master of Chaplains Sapphon. Now just in case you don't know: the word "lesbian" is derived from an island in the Aegean Sea named Lesbos, because this island was the home of a female greek poet who was homosexual: Sappho. She was a lesbian as in "hailing from Lesbos", but the term is being used for the sexual orientation she expressed in some of her poetry since the 19th century - and she lived 2500 years before that (now that is at least close to the time spans we are used to from 40k, eh?). So yeah, the designers hinted at the old "Lionel Jonson (homosexual poet)-Dark Angel (poem)-wearing robes-arrows going both ways" joke from RT even in the mid-90ies. Has anyone else found any more hints at that old joke that I am still missing? Disclaimer: please refrain from hating on the joke or on gays or whatever. I merely find it funny that the GW guys of the early days poked fun that way. That does not make your little plastic men any less cool or anything, I collect a DA successor myself, so I do not intend any insult. Discussing whether DA were gay or whether homosexuality was a sin or stuff like that has no place on this forum. Thank you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 My experience says that ny thread that needs a disclaimer is likely to end up in flames, but we'll see how this one goes... ;) On topic, in the good old days GW always poked fun and added random elements.. and DA had alot of them!! .. I think there's a Djinn Antonik named sgt .. or is it Coken Rum (spelling). My memory betrays me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Priest Haelaeif Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Yes, they did a lot of stuff like that, in all the games they published. Djinn Antonik is an awesome name, I think I'll have to use that on some model. Or even better... I'll call myself that on FB. ;) The old Space Orks fluff had lots of that kind of joke, too. But I think the DA joke is kind of more complicated than most of the jokes they did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Well, I didn't think it was any secret that Sapphon was a master of oration and not the most skilled with a sword... in the end, I don't think it really matters in the context of the game though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkangeldentist Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 A slightly off-topic point but regarding the lack of a model. Careful perusal of the entry for Sapphon notes that he is armed with a Crozius and power sword plus a bolt pistol. Asmodai from the same Angels of death book was armed with just a crozius and bolt pistol with the blades of reason. (Which I think most would agree are not described as looking like a sword anywhere in the fluff.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Yeah, the Asmodai model is most likely actually Sapphon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 No, it's Asmodai. The sculptor admitted that he gave him a sword "because it looked cool" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skink Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Yeah, the Asmodai model is most likely actually Sapphon. I've always thought this was the case. I seem to remember the base tab bit used to have 'Master Chaplain' (or similar) stamped on. Loathe to pull the base off mine just to check, but it might be in an old catalogue somewhere... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
king tiger 101 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 No, it's Asmodai. The sculptor admitted that he gave him a sword "because it looked cool" In other words when questioned the sculptor pulled the first excuse he could find from his behind. I always found the Birmingham reference in 40k funny, Cus all the yanks got REALLY pent up about it, until we pointed out gw is British, and its in reference to our Birmingham, not there's with the dodgy past...kinda obvious really but hey Ho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 No, it's Asmodai. The sculptor admitted that he gave him a sword "because it looked cool" In other words when questioned the sculptor pulled the first excuse he could find from his behind. Well, arming him with a power sword was a legit choice - he had to come armed with something apart from the Crozius... Although why this "something" was not the Blades of Reason is kind of suspicious... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 No, it's Asmodai. The sculptor admitted that he gave him a sword "because it looked cool" In other words when questioned the sculptor pulled the first excuse he could find from his behind. I always found the Birmingham reference in 40k funny, Cus all the yanks got REALLY pent up about it, until we pointed out gw is British, and its in reference to our Birmingham, not there's with the dodgy past...kinda obvious really but hey Ho Being a brummie myself, I wholeheartedly endorse that reference! RT era and 2nd edition were full of those little references that were very Monty Python-esque in humour. When Orks were terrifying but funny (they then just became a joke, then back to SRZ GRIMDARK). Simon Egan sculpted Asmodai, but I can't remember where he justified having the sword instead of the blades of reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteraven17708 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 thats to funny I love seeing the little hints at stuff GW has hidden being a DA player myself I never played before 3rd edition though was not aware of this, suppose that means when my friends make fun of my models having "dresses" on their are actually right :) Oh well I wonder what my models would look like with pink robes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
king tiger 101 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Wait for jervis to finish ruining the angels in the next codex and you will find out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Djinn Antonik is an awesome name, I think I'll have to use that on some model. Somebody want to explain this one to an American? My google-fu is broken today... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Djinn Antonik is an awesome name, I think I'll have to use that on some model. Somebody want to explain this one to an American? My google-fu is broken today... Gin and tonic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/fred40k2002/family/smilies/facepalm5.jpg Oh, Sorry... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 So, after all is said and one, what we've arrived at is the fact that... Sapphon has been masquerading as Asmodai for an as-yet undetermined reason. *que the dramatic music!* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I don't really buy the "No, it's really Asmodai." There's an image that seems to depict the Big Three of our leadership in the 4th Ed Codex (Azrael, Sapphon and Ezekiel) by Blanche (I think), and other than the mask, the Asmodai model looks a LOT like the chaplain in that picture. Phoebus, did you just "out" Sapphon? Shhhh B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerociousBeast Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Ha! That's funny. Good find. If only the current crop of writers displayed even a glimmer of the old guards' erudition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Priest Haelaeif Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Look here, in the background on the left: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b333/gavswine/Heroquest/Heroquest002.jpg That's the original Sapphon model. He just didn't come out of the closet yet. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteraven17708 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 LOL I just spent a full minute looking all over for a DA model Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakus40k Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Look here, in the background on the left: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b333/gavswine/Heroquest/Heroquest002.jpg That's the original Sapphon model. He just didn't come out of the closet yet. :D It was worth reading this thread just to see the Heroquest pic. Brings back memories... :angry: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
king tiger 101 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Brings back warm fuzzy fun memories of when things were good in this corner of the hobby world, before the dark times, before the ward Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3041870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 We're getting a bit off-topic I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3042031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I wonder if this sub-forum will be filled with similar topics if Sapphon returns in the next Codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250928-the-original-joke/#findComment-3042078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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