amaze07 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Not sure if this topic has been done before??but do you think they will ever make one,It seems like to Grand Battle/Crusade not to leave out and with so many Legions and Primarchs attached it maybe could be a series in itself!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qarassen Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Not sure if this topic has been done before??but do you think they will ever make one,It seems like to Grand Battle/Crusade not to leave out and with so many Legions and Primarchs attached it maybe could be a series in itself!! The Majority of HH-fans balive that the story will end soon and miss parts like the Ullanor crusade and so on, but as far as i can see, the HH-series will never end. Just think of the detail The Luna wolfs has been described in? And this is just the begining of there story.. I think that every Legion will have X numbers of books writen about them. So don´t worry, we will have plenty of books to read in the near future. That is what i think. and i need a bigger apartment/bookshell for all the books ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't think the Ullanor Crusade will ever get a book and I hope it doesn't. It's so iconic, in a way the root of everything, and there's so much that could be ruined by a book/s. I have no doubt a book about it wold be awesome but it could also be severely unawesome. And that would suck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't think the Ullanor Crusade will ever get a book and I hope it doesn't. It's so iconic, in a way the root of everything, and there's so much that could be ruined by a book/s. I have no doubt a book about it wold be awesome but it could also be severely unawesome. And that would suck. That is my opinion on the matter. There are still seven years of the Heresy to cover and there is so much story they could tell about the actual Heresy that is basically "virgin" territory. Ullanor however is one of those things hinted at that gives it its own charm, but if it was ever written about, that charm would disappear. I'm not saying the book about it would suck, but some things carry a distinct charm when they are left in mystery. Like the Emperor in battle, the way he is described in the past tense when people remember battles, I can't help but think that if a battle he was in was written about, that it would sound like a Japanese light novel rip off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 The same could be said about the Isstvan battles or the Siege of Terra, though, and we already have books about the former and we know there will be ones for the latter. However, I don't think there will be either, going by the trend we've seen. It's the Horus Heresy series, not the Great Crusade series, and the little we've seen of the Great Crusade is to provide Primarch origins and a couple short stories. While I'd be happy to see a Ullanor novel, at risk though it could be of sucking, it's too much a Great Crusade event to have as big a cover in the Horus Heresy series. But I could be wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Two words: Dan Abnett Concerns addressed, let the typing commence. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Two words: Dan Abnett Concerns addressed, let the typing commence. :) sprinkle in some A D-B and i'm sold. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I don't think the Ullanor Crusade will ever get a book and I hope it doesn't. It's so iconic, in a way the root of everything, and there's so much that could be ruined by a book/s. I have no doubt a book about it wold be awesome but it could also be severely unawesome. And that would suck. That is my opinion on the matter. There are still seven years of the Heresy to cover and there is so much story they could tell about the actual Heresy that is basically "virgin" territory. Ullanor however is one of those things hinted at that gives it its own charm, but if it was ever written about, that charm would disappear. I'm not saying the book about it would suck, but some things carry a distinct charm when they are left in mystery. Like the Emperor in battle, the way he is described in the past tense when people remember battles, I can't help but think that if a battle he was in was written about, that it would sound like a Japanese light novel rip off. Perfect elaboration (not being sarcastic, you said what I wanted to say but couldn't). It would be like meeting a legend, that everyone has different opinions about, and finding out they're what someone else thought instead of what you thought. If that makes any sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 The same could be said about the Isstvan battles or the Siege of Terra, though, and we already have books about the former and we know there will be ones for the latter. True, but like I said, I have a feeling that anything involving the Emperor would end up turning into something like a Japanese light novel/manga/anime rip off due to his ability to simply dominate everyone around him(Horus excluded). Don't get me wrong, I love that stuff, but there is a reason that it is light novel/manga/anime. I kind of have to wonder why he even needed Custodians since their sole purpose was to protect him and their other duties were just to make everyone else happy. P.S. This is also the only reservation I have when it comes to the end of the series when the Emperor starts taking on a bigger role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 The same could be said about the Isstvan battles or the Siege of Terra, though, and we already have books about the former and we know there will be ones for the latter. True, but like I said, I have a feeling that anything involving the Emperor would end up turning into something like a Japanese light novel/manga/anime rip off due to his ability to simply dominate everyone around him(Horus excluded). Don't get me wrong, I love that stuff, but there is a reason that it is light novel/manga/anime. I kind of have to wonder why he even needed Custodians since their sole purpose was to protect him and their other duties were just to make everyone else happy. P.S. This is also the only reservation I have when it comes to the end of the series when the Emperor starts taking on a bigger role. Well so long as the Emperor is not the main character, it should work just fine. If they write it right, then it would show his ultimate power, but not necessarily ruin it. Heck, the only time I actually remember him fighting was against Horus, so it can be about how Dorn is walking through the corridors, seeing obliterated remains, but no dead loyalists, and then it can cut to the Big Fight, and then show the Emperor struggle, with Dorn finally catching up. But yeah, just show that one fight from the Emperor, the rest is what the loyalists see of the aftermath. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3042983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 The cover of the Primarchs book...I think that's the closest we should get to the Ullanor crusade IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3043054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Ullanor would be going backwards as well the books seem to be leading more and more towards the siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3043134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Horus saves the emperor whilst hes strangled by an ork at ullanor if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3043171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 This The cover of the Primarchs book...I think that's the closest we should get to the Ullanor crusade IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3043183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Two words: Dan Abnett Concerns addressed, let the typing commence. :P Great, that way we'll learn all about the humans involved in the Ullanor Crusade ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3043200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Two words: Dan Abnett Concerns addressed, let the typing commence. :) Great, that way we'll learn all about the humans involved in the Ullanor Crusade :) Haha, so true. Or he'll put in so much new fluf crap that has no real point, because that's how he fills his books. Reading Know no Fear and laughed as he described gang workers shoveling fuel into engines like it was the titanic and not some battleship with it's own powerplant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3043401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorns Padawan Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I am pretty certain Dan said at last years Black Library Live that the Ullanor Crusade would not be done as he said certain elements are better off not going into detail & therefore leaving that bit of mistique to it. I persoanlly would love a book done on it but I can see where he is coming from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3043418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Maybe it could be included in the Space Marine Battles range? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3043731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I think it's a bit of a sacred cow, but there's also the fact anyone who touches it will be on the receiving end of countless "WAAAAAAAHHHH Rush to the Siege" and "BOOOOOOO You're just trying to milk money from the fans" comments. In a lot of ways, the fandom (insofar as such a thing exists with broad strokes of a brush) can be its own worst enemy. The number who hold the misguided opinion of "I think they're dragging it out just to make money" and genuinely believe their opinion is somehow fact, is pretty staggering. And disheartening. I'm a slightly different position from the other guys, as I interact online a lot more, but I'd think twice (or eleven times) before ever suggesting Ullanor. Even if it was the greatest book in the series, I'm getting a bit tired of the whining about how we have no integrity and our evil plot is to write purely to siphon the life savings of impoverished peasants who deserve so much better. Admittedly, for every "End the series" comment, there're a hundred "Do X, and Y, and Z..." comments, but it still gets to you after a while. That kind of thing can't help but change your outlook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3044743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Tbh I don't think that the Ullanor Crusade should be written about, and if it is then maybe as its own mini series due to the number of Legions that participated in it. I think it's a bit of a sacred cow, but there's also the fact anyone who touches it will be on the receiving end of countless "WAAAAAAAHHHH Rush to the Siege" and "BOOOOOOO You're just trying to milk money from the fans" comments. In a lot of ways, the fandom (insofar as such a thing exists with broad strokes of a brush) can be its own worst enemy. The number who hold the misguided opinion of "I think they're dragging it out just to make money" and genuinely believe their opinion is somehow fact, is pretty staggering. And disheartening. Well they are just pricks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3044748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I think it's a bit of a sacred cow, but there's also the fact anyone who touches it will be on the receiving end of countless "WAAAAAAAHHHH Rush to the Siege" and "BOOOOOOO You're just trying to milk money from the fans" comments. In a lot of ways, the fandom (insofar as such a thing exists with broad strokes of a brush) can be its own worst enemy. The number who hold the misguided opinion of "I think they're dragging it out just to make money" and genuinely believe their opinion is somehow fact, is pretty staggering. And disheartening. I'm a slightly different position from the other guys, as I interact online a lot more, but I'd think twice (or eleven times) before ever suggesting Ullanor. Even if it was the greatest book in the series, I'm getting a bit tired of the whining about how we have no integrity and our evil plot is to write purely to siphon the life savings of impoverished peasants who deserve so much better. Admittedly, for every "End the series" comment, there're a hundred "Do X, and Y, and Z..." comments, but it still gets to you after a while. That kind of thing can't help but change your outlook. I can't believe people even think or say that, very disheartening indeed but I'm sure they are in the minority. It hadn't even crossed my mind that the series was being "dragged out to make money" and I certainly don't believe that it is. I say drag it out as long as you can and write about as much as you can. The whole series is just plain epic! While, in my mind anyway, Ullanor should remain shrouded in myth and not be written about, I would love to see lots more HH books and then post siege I would love to see a whole new series covering the Scouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3044768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I think it's a bit of a sacred cow, but there's also the fact anyone who touches it will be on the receiving end of countless "WAAAAAAAHHHH Rush to the Siege" and "BOOOOOOO You're just trying to milk money from the fans" comments. In a lot of ways, the fandom (insofar as such a thing exists with broad strokes of a brush) can be its own worst enemy. The number who hold the misguided opinion of "I think they're dragging it out just to make money" and genuinely believe their opinion is somehow fact, is pretty staggering. And disheartening. I'm a slightly different position from the other guys, as I interact online a lot more, but I'd think twice (or eleven times) before ever suggesting Ullanor. Even if it was the greatest book in the series, I'm getting a bit tired of the whining about how we have no integrity and our evil plot is to write purely to siphon the life savings of impoverished peasants who deserve so much better. Admittedly, for every "End the series" comment, there're a hundred "Do X, and Y, and Z..." comments, but it still gets to you after a while. That kind of thing can't help but change your outlook. I can't believe people even think or say that, very disheartening indeed but I'm sure they are in the minority. It hadn't even crossed my mind that the series was being "dragged out to make money" and I certainly don't believe that it is. I say drag it out as long as you can and write about as much as you can. The whole series is just plain epic! While, in my mind anyway, Ullanor should remain shrouded in myth and not be written about, I would love to see lots more HH books and then post siege I would love to see a whole new series covering the Scouring. Oh come on this is Games Workshop we are taking about, lots of people will hold this opinion - 'The Evil Empire of GW'- milking the fans again, only interested in shifting boxes, price rises, blah, blah blah. Every time there is a price increase for GW product you will find plenty of folk giving negative opinions, never mind that everything else right now is going up it's all down to GW wanting more ;) While it may be 'Our Hobby' we need to remember it's GW's business and if they cannot make a profit to keep the stock market and share holders happy then there is no more business. Simples. My impression is the writers of the HH novels are in it for the love of the genre and not to make a fast buck or two, not that I have any idea how much GW pays it's authors but I'm pretty sure A-D-B doesn't fly by private jet when he travels to Nottingham from the Emerald Isle... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3044784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Good God it is sad,the thought of writing books as milking it sickens me. The whole damn point to this series was to flesh it out as much as possible I thought,you all know how the fething thing ends. If you feel BL is milking it 1)Don't buy it,they put out plenty of 40k stuff too 2)Go Hang Yourself,you suck and the world definitely does not need more crybabies ADB the series is infact going by way too quick,Istivan V should of been 3 full books minimum Loyalist,Horus's,and the traitor turncoat wave. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3048018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qarassen Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Good God it is sad,the thought of writing books as milking it sickens me.The whole damn point to this series was to flesh it out as much as possible I thought,you all know how the fething thing ends. If you feel BL is milking it 1)Don't buy it,they put out plenty of 40k stuff too 2)Go Hang Yourself,you suck and the world definitely does not need more crybabies ADB the series is infact going by way too quick,Istivan V should of been 3 full books minimum Loyalist,Horus's,and the traitor turncoat wave. BL as every company needs money, but i does´t belive thay are milking "us" of money, if that was the case we would have noticed it. I hope that events like Istivan V gets more books. i would like to read the salamanders perspective for an example. I hope every legion "not the 2 missing obviously" get x numbers of books before the HH-Series is complete. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3048032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 The HH series is the prequel to 40k, the Great Crusade is the prequel to the HH. Once the HH has ended there will be plenty of time, and scope, for a smaller series of Great Crusade novels centered around the Emperor, if GW and BL so wishes. Thats not really cashcowing either. There is only so much the 40k community is interested in and it really starts with the Great Crusade. Once the Heresy is done there is only going to be the Great Crusade left as a viable series, though I would be quite happy to read a novel on the birth of Slaanesh, or about the Old Ones, or other non-human centric events. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/#findComment-3048052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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