Qarassen Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Thats not really cashcowing either. There is only so much the 40k community is interested in and it really starts with the Great Crusade. Once the Heresy is done there is only going to be the Great Crusade left as a viable series, though I would be quite happy to read a novel on the birth of Slaanesh, or about the Old Ones, or other non-human centric events. That would be epic.. The war in heavens, or the birth of Slaanesh.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3048057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I find the "milking us for our money" complaints laughable, let's be honest customers vote with their feet, you can :lol: and moan all you like about it, but you have a CHOICE to keep buying it, it's hardly a requirement for your life and based on the numbers of players and people buying Black Library stuff, people don't seem to be leaving that quick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3048061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 That is my opinion on the matter. There are still seven years of the Heresy to cover and there is so much story they could tell about the actual Heresy that is basically "virgin" territory. Ullanor however is one of those things hinted at that gives it its own charm, but if it was ever written about, that charm would disappear. I'm not saying the book about it would suck, but some things carry a distinct charm when they are left in mystery. Like the Emperor in battle, the way he is described in the past tense when people remember battles, I can't help but think that if a battle he was in was written about, that it would sound like a Japanese light novel rip off. The same thing could be said about all the Heresy books. With people reading these,granted they are great and i love them also, the mystery of what really went down back then is largely gone. Some people even consider these books official 40k historical text of what happened back then. I see no reason to do great crusade novels any more or less than the heresy novels. Reading about the times when the Primarchs and the Emperer were still fighting together would personally be fun for me to read and in the end show just how much was lost from the heresy and give some of the characters in the existing books even more fleshing out. I just which people would take these stories/novels with a little more salt instead of like a FAQ for the Heresy. Thats not really cashcowing either. There is only so much the 40k community is interested in and it really starts with the Great Crusade. Once the Heresy is done there is only going to be the Great Crusade left as a viable series, though I would be quite happy to read a novel on the birth of Slaanesh, or about the Old Ones, or other non-human centric events. I would also like to read some of those things OR some of the old Epic battles between the Eldar and the Necrons that supposedly happened Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3048151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Personally, I'd like to see the authors do what Bernard Cornwall did with Sharpe, i.e. write the major battles up to the end, and then go back and fill in the gaps. There's plenty of material, after all there are eighteen legions all of whom had their own part to play. You could write an entire heresy series on one legion alone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3048281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I wasn't going to comment on this, but I have to say those people who think GW is milking the series are either being a little unfair and/or ungrateful. Thats perhaps a little harsh but they need to look at the bigger picture... they might not realise what little background there was in the days of Rogue Trader and the glory days of 2nd edition. I remember when then only thing written about the 'Drop Pod Massacre at Istvaan V' were those actual words, nothign else, and it left you wondering what the hell happened and dying to know more about it. Then there were tiny bits of info from the Index Astartes articles that said that only 7 (yes, 7) loyal Marines made it back from Istvaan V. That has now been retconned slightly in terms of numbers, but at the time it was brilliant. It felt as though you actually were reading about events from a long time ago that you were dying to know more about. The same can be said of the wider Heresy. There wasn't much info other than summaries of what Legions were doing and where, and whether they were at the siege of the Imperial Palace, stuck in the warp with Nurgle or trying to reach earth etc. These were all bits of text from Rulebooks, background books and White Dwarf, and was great to piece it all together and get the 'big picture' of the Heresy and what went down, but it always left you wanting more which was really cool. All this mystery was great, but fans of the Games Workshop fluff wanted more, and finally, they released the Horus Heresy series. All those tidbits of information can finally be explored, and some of it hasn't even been touched yet. To name but a few: Space Wolves and battle of Tallarn White Scars Blood Angels (coming soon though) Iron Warriors prior to Heresy World Eaters prior to Heresy Imperial Fists prior to Heresy The Palace siege, and the final duel - which i'm sure will be over a few books Then of course you have the aftermath, and the Loyalists chasing the rebels all the way to the Eye of Terror, and the Iron Cage incident, the birt of the Codex and who knows what else. With so much left to write about, how people can say they are milking it is beyond me. I'll concede that in getting all these stories, some of the mystery surrounding it is lost, but i can live with that. As for the original question, I don't think a book about the Ullanor Crusade or the Great Crusade in general needs to be written yet, but it could be good to explore when the HH is over We wanted all this backstory, and now we have it, we should be grateful that they are happy to tell the stories that so many of us have often wondered about, and that there are authors who love this stuff as much as we do and are willing to write all about it :tu: Just my two cents, apologies for rambling Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3048327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I remember when then only thing written about the 'Drop Pod Massacre at Istvaan V' were those actual words, nothign else, and it left you wondering what the hell happened and dying to know more about it. Then there were tiny bits of info from the Index Astartes articles that said that only 7 (yes, 7) loyal Marines made it back from Istvaan V. That has now been retconned slightly in terms of numbers, but at the time it was brilliant. It felt as though you actually were reading about events from a long time ago that you were dying to know more about. I'm being pedantic here but Index Astartes IV - Alpha Legion is where it mentions the numbers of survivors, and it was five not seven but as you say that has been well and truly retconned in the HH series and you are much closer than BL ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3049121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
interogatortech Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Lets be realistic here.If they wirte it we will buy it,so theyre not milking us we finally got the story we eanted now just sit back and enjoy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3049171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I think it's a bit of a sacred cow, but there's also the fact anyone who touches it will be on the receiving end of countless "WAAAAAAAHHHH Rush to the Siege" and "BOOOOOOO You're just trying to milk money from the fans" comments. In a lot of ways, the fandom (insofar as such a thing exists with broad strokes of a brush) can be its own worst enemy. The number who hold the misguided opinion of "I think they're dragging it out just to make money" and genuinely believe their opinion is somehow fact, is pretty staggering. And disheartening. I'm a slightly different position from the other guys, as I interact online a lot more, but I'd think twice (or eleven times) before ever suggesting Ullanor. Even if it was the greatest book in the series, I'm getting a bit tired of the whining about how we have no integrity and our evil plot is to write purely to siphon the life savings of impoverished peasants who deserve so much better. Admittedly, for every "End the series" comment, there're a hundred "Do X, and Y, and Z..." comments, but it still gets to you after a while. That kind of thing can't help but change your outlook. Thats very depressing, not only for those of us who love the series, but for me and others who are building shrines to your name. :rolleyes: I doubt I speak only for myself when I say, please do not heed the foolish musings of some ignorant 'fan's' who just want the series to end. I think it should go without saying that many many more people enjoy every word being put into the HH, and I hope to see it continue for some time. I believe the passion and labour being put into the series is clearly evident, and I think you and the rest of the HH team for it! Just have it released faster to Canada, its completely unfair that I have to wait while those in the UK get everything before me. ;) EDIT: And yeah I had wondered about this. I really would like to read about more of the early Great Crusade, with this being the final trilogy or something, maybe after the HH is done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3049218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 It's so iconic, in a way the root of everything, and there's so much that could be ruined by a book/s. You could always y'know NOT READ IT...I dunno why some ppl oppose the publishing of a book when they could simply not read it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3049999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It's so iconic, in a way the root of everything, and there's so much that could be ruined by a book/s. You could always y'know NOT READ IT...I dunno why some ppl oppose the publishing of a book when they could simply not read it Because if it's there it *has* to be read haha! You can't just not read a HH book if it exists :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3050569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It's so iconic, in a way the root of everything, and there's so much that could be ruined by a book/s. You could always y'know NOT READ IT...I dunno why some ppl oppose the publishing of a book when they could simply not read it Because if it's there it *has* to be read haha! You can't just not read a HH book if it exists :) Haha exactly! It would be like watching the original Star Wars trilogy then not watching Phantim Menace (probably a bad example, I highly doubt BL would allow an important book to stuff up the HH series). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3050574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Once the Heresy is done there is only going to be the Great Crusade left as a viable series... Well not quite, there would be 'the scouring' which could be done. That would include some pretty epic moments: the iron cage incident, the formation of the Black Templars, Dorn and Guilliman almost coming to blows and the Imperium nearly plunged into another civil war. Fighting against traitor marine forces continued for another 7 years so there is plenty of scope for battles and events in that period. Admittedly, this period might be conceived as a bit of a pro-Ultramarine time period seeing as it was about the implementation of the codex astartes and how Guilliman and his Ultramarines were almost "everywhere" but this is 40K's history so it would still be very interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3051158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantras Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I struggle with this, as an avid 40k fluff fan, I believe we are being well and truly spoilt by the Horus Heresy series as it stands. All those commnets that start with "When they mentioned [insert event here] it was really epic and interesting" end with "and really made me want to know more". Well, the HH series is exactly that, and is doing a great job . They are still leaving plenty to the imagination, whilst fleshing out existing, and brand new, parts to a story that has captured most of our hearts. I mean, there is at least 3-4 HH books out A YEAR, which is well and truly slaking my thirst for bolter porn / grimdark scifi, how can you complain? To the nay sayers who claim its just a money grabbing exercise, then why do you buy BL books? Or and GW product at all? I hate to break it to you, but it is all a money generating exercise, with a great big dollop of sci-fi fun that we all know and love. Trust me, when the HH series ends (these things always end), you will miss it. I know I will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3051395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I struggle with this, as an avid 40k fluff fan, I believe we are being well and truly spoilt by the Horus Heresy series as it stands. All those commnets that start with "When they mentioned [insert event here] it was really epic and interesting" end with "and really made me want to know more". Well, the HH series is exactly that, and is doing a great job . They are still leaving plenty to the imagination, whilst fleshing out existing, and brand new, parts to a story that has captured most of our hearts. I mean, there is at least 3-4 HH books out A YEAR, which is well and truly slaking my thirst for bolter porn / grimdark scifi, how can you complain? I can't help but think the above (in bold) was aimed at my post, and if so you have misread it and mis understood me - I completely agree with you. Sorry if its not clear My point was that in the older days, we only had small anounts of info, and now we are being spoilt by the HH series and getting stories we could only dream about years ago - we should count ourselves lucky :P As you say, when this series ends, we'll miss it! :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3051491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultramarine373 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I think it's a bit of a sacred cow, but there's also the fact anyone who touches it will be on the receiving end of countless "WAAAAAAAHHHH Rush to the Siege" and "BOOOOOOO You're just trying to milk money from the fans" comments. In a lot of ways, the fandom (insofar as such a thing exists with broad strokes of a brush) can be its own worst enemy. The number who hold the misguided opinion of "I think they're dragging it out just to make money" and genuinely believe their opinion is somehow fact, is pretty staggering. And disheartening. I'm a slightly different position from the other guys, as I interact online a lot more, but I'd think twice (or eleven times) before ever suggesting Ullanor. Even if it was the greatest book in the series, I'm getting a bit tired of the whining about how we have no integrity and our evil plot is to write purely to siphon the life savings of impoverished peasants who deserve so much better. Admittedly, for every "End the series" comment, there're a hundred "Do X, and Y, and Z..." comments, but it still gets to you after a while. That kind of thing can't help but change your outlook. Okay One: THOSE people are the LOUD minority and are akin to trolls in my opinion, i keep a can of Troll Away Spray around just for them Two: the HH series so far has been awesome loved every book except Battle for the Abyss to much talking not enough punching in the face but i digress. Three: Your books are great keep up the good work and i'll keep buying them i got Emperors Gift and For the Fallen on my back log of books right now, am going to start Butchers Nails soon and am trying to get a copy of Aurellian. Four: On topic i think Ullanor would be a great idea for a book if done right keep the Big E distant and not a major part of the story and just have a smattering of primarchs here and there make it more about the legions involved and not the leaders it would work but i'm not holding my breath for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3052071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 The only stance I find more annoying than "they're just milking us for our money" is "don't write books about X, Y, Z because that'll ruin the mystery" Seriously? How about you save your money and let me get the book I want Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3052132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Four: On topic i think Ullanor would be a great idea for a book if done right keep the Big E distant and not a major part of the story and just have a smattering of primarchs here and there make it more about the legions involved and not the leaders it would work but i'm not holding my breath for it. If done like that, it could be pretty cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3052154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I would like when the Heresy is complete to see some books on the Crusade, maybe the stories of how the Primarchs were found and what happened when they were on their home planets. Then again when the HH is complete I would like to see 40K move to 41k and see a end of times scenario Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3052186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Age of Apostasy and the Imperium Interregnum could be interesting series. Unification Wars with Thunder Warriors would be trickier to pull off Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3052775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qarassen Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 The only stance I find more annoying than "they're just milking us for our money" is "don't write books about X, Y, Z because that'll ruin the mystery" Seriously? How about you save your money and let me get the book I want 100 % agree! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/250994-ullanor-crusade/page/2/#findComment-3052857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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