swampyseifer Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hey all, I've been working on the background for my own chapter that I want to use for building and also writing some stories and the like on. Was hoping anyone could read the info below and let me know if there's any gapingly obvious problems that I've overlooked or even just some feed back would be great! Thanks ;) Just quickly knocked up an idea for a paintscheme...its a bit simple but I will do a bit more when I get more time ----------------------- The Master Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum initially spoke in hushed tones around the Senatorum Imperialis three decades ago, slowly he gained the approval of the Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum and the Master of the Administratum. With three such powerful members, the Council of Terra agreed to listen to the motion. What was discussed that day caused 47 years of discussion, debate and more than a handful of power-switches and assassinations amongst the council members. Never had such a suggestion been put forwards since the end of the Age of Apostasy. The Master Ecclesiarch made it clear that with humanity beset, without and within, by aliens and daemons the belief in the Emperor was waining. Humanities greatest threat was the dissolution in the belief of Him, the Emperor of Mankind. Terra and all its subjects needed a new army, a force of men that would be a light in the encroaching darkness. With the backing of such men, the Master Ecclesiarch persuaded the High Council of Terra that a highly devout chapter of Space Marines was needed to fight on behalf of the Ecclesiarchy. Routing out malcontents who would usurp the devotion of the Emperor to their own false gods. Never had such an idea even been considered since the devastation brough about by the Age of Apostasy was ended. The High Lords could not condone this and therefore it was agreed that although this highly religious chapter was needed, it could not fall under the control of the Ecclesiarch. Therefore it was founded as any normal Space Marine chapter and led by a Chaplain to ensure that in all things, they would devoutly fight for the will of the Emperor. A highly respected reclusiarch of the Salamanders Chapter, a chapter known for their pro-humanitarian stance, was chosen to lead the newly formed Chapter. Many of the Space Marines of this founding are drafted from the Salamanders chapter. Rumour has it however that the Master of the Reclusiarch, as is the title bestowed upon him, is merely a figurehead ruler. The actual guidance for the Chapter comes not from the he but a group of reclusiarchs known as Reclusiam Beta whose ears and tongues are an extension of the Master Ecclesiarch back on Terra. The teaching of the Chapter's chaplaincy focus on the many crimes committed against humanity by heretics and rebels. Although any foe who would pervert the light of the Emperor receice a special hatred. Furthermore the Chapter is often intolerant of the more unusual expressions of the Imperial Creed or fellow Astartes cults and wage a war of persecution on them. They do not have many friends, although not many would openly bring retribution upon themselves from the pious Chapter Thus was founded the Emperor's Dragons. While all Space Marines are stubborn and resolute in pursuing their objectives, the Emperor's Dragons, much like their progenitor chapter the Salamanders, display this trait to the point of obstinacy. They are stubborn in defence and relentless in attack although this sometimes leads to them taking unneccesary casualties when others would have withdrawn to pursue alternative tactics. In addition to these essential qualities of the dragon Warriors, they are extremely sturdy and their favoured fighting style promotes toughness and the ability to stand in the face of overwhelming odds over those of speed or manoeuvrability. They train their bodies relentlessly, building constitution and muscle density in favour of reaction time. The Chapter sees no honour in in any other form of combat than man to man, eye to eye. It ignores many other aspects of war and always seeks to deliver the killing blow in person, at the very speartip of battle. The Chapter favours close assaulting troops, close assault weapons and tactics to win the battle. They are not adverse to using ranged weaponry, but it is not the preferred method. Due to the backing of several key members on the Council of Terra, the chapter wants for nothing. It has been given its own homeworld, Suum, a death-world chosen personally by Tu'Shan, Chapter Master of the Salamanders whom believes that a hardy life breeds hardy warriors. The chapter has also been fully equipped with the best armor, weapons and vehicles that the Adeptus Mechanicus could supply. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Knight Purifier Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Aside from the fact that it is actually controlled by the Ecclesiarch, and that it actually has good relations with the leaders of the Imperium, it sound alot like the Black Templars. Maybe add some stuff, and make it more distinct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Could work, but the Ecclesiarchy having a pet Space Marine chapter is going to make the Ordo Hereticus and the rest of the Imperium very unhappy if they find out about it. It does violate the heck out of the Decree Passive, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Aside from the fact that it is actually controlled by the Ecclesiarch, and that it actually has good relations with the leaders of the Imperium, it sound alot like the Black Templars. Maybe add some stuff, and make it more distinct? Â Thanks, that is a point I was worried about. Also I suppose the Sisters of battle is also quite similar in the whole religious zealness as well. Â I'll read into what makes the BTs and see if I can find other ways to make them less similar! Â EDIT: Looking at the warhammer wiki page, it does sound more like the BT is an anti-chaos chapter really - what with Sigismund going on a crusade to fight the champions of chaos. Whereas I'm looking to simply have more of a highly pious chapter that fights to uphold imperial dogma and will attack anyone who tries to pervert or destory that belief. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Could work, but the Ecclesiarchy having a pet Space Marine chapter is going to make the Ordo Hereticus and the rest of the Imperium very unhappy if they find out about it. It does violate the heck out of the Decree Passive, after all.  hi thanks  I was making sure that as far as everyone else is aware, the chapter is not "men under arms" for the ecclesiarch...and in truth, I made the whole Reclusiam Beta thing a rumour because that is all it would be probably. All the standard fluffy chapters have dark secrets and I just thought it added a nice dark twist to it. I guess it is more of something for my own uses when writing about them... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Knight Purifier Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Aside from the fact that it is actually controlled by the Ecclesiarch, and that it actually has good relations with the leaders of the Imperium, it sound alot like the Black Templars. Maybe add some stuff, and make it more distinct? Â Thanks, that is a point I was worried about. Also I suppose the Sisters of battle is also quite similar in the whole religious zealness as well. Â I'll read into what makes the BTs and see if I can find other ways to make them less similar! Â EDIT: Looking at the warhammer wiki page, it does sound more like the BT is an anti-chaos chapter really - what with Sigismund going on a crusade to fight the champions of chaos. Whereas I'm looking to simply have more of a highly pious chapter that fights to uphold imperial dogma and will attack anyone who tries to pervert or destory that belief. Â Speaking as a Templar here, we don't just hate Chaos, and try to destroy it, we hate everything non human. Alot of Chapter do not see the Emperor as a god, but the Templar's do. We are extremely devout and fanatical. A better example of an Anti-Chaos Chapter would be Grey Knights. Sigismund hunted Chaos Champions because they were the enemy. If the Hive Fleets had attacked Terra, he would have gone after Synapse Creatures, and if it was Eldar, he would have attacked their Farseers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Speaking as a Templar here, we don't just hate Chaos, and try to destroy it, we hate everything non human. Alot of Chapter do not see the Emperor as a god, but the Templar's do. We are extremely devout and fanatical. A better example of an Anti-Chaos Chapter would be Grey Knights. Sigismund hunted Chaos Champions because they were the enemy. If the Hive Fleets had attacked Terra, he would have gone after Synapse Creatures, and if it was Eldar, he would have attacked their Farseers. Â Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. :lol: Â Are we talking about merely destroying anything non human just because it is non human? or is it destroying things that threaten humanity? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Looking at the warhammer wiki page, it does sound more like the BT is an anti-chaos chapter really - what with Sigismund going on a crusade to fight the champions of chaos. Whereas I'm looking to simply have more of a highly pious chapter that fights to uphold imperial dogma and will attack anyone who tries to pervert or destory that belief. Â Actually we're more of a anti-everything-that-isn't-Imperium Chapter. BT crusade across the galaxy continuing the first mission of the space marines, to seek out and destroy the enemies of the Emperor, whatever form they take. Also BT are on the extreme end of independence, even more so than other SM chapters. Only the High Marshal decides when and where the BT will fight. Â Alot of Chapter do not see the Emperor as a god, but the Templar's do. Â There is actually no concrete evidence to back this up. No where is it said that BT see him as a god. Pesonally I think that He is is a god, but what the BT think as a chapter is unclear. Â Edit: Are we talking about merely destroying anything non human just because it is non human? or is it destroying things that threaten humanity? Â Both. Xenos have no place in this galaxy and are fit only to be destroyed. (see the quote from Chaplain Emmerich in my sig :lol: ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Knight Purifier Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Huh. I really thought we did...Oh well. Regardless, the Templars, and especially the Champion are very, very fanatical. We hate everything. To quote Helbrecht, "The Galaxy is the Emperor's, and anyone or anything who challenges that claim is an enemy who must be destroyed" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The Master Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum initially spoke in hushed tones around the Senatorum Imperialis three decades ago, slowly he gained the approval of the Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum and the Master of the Administratum. With three such powerful members, the Council of Terra agreed to listen to the motion. What was discussed that day caused 47 years of discussion, debate and more than a handful of power-switches and assassinations amongst the council members. Never had such a suggestion been put forwards since the end of the Age of Apostasy. The Master Ecclesiarch made it clear that with humanity beset, without and within, by aliens and daemons the belief in the Emperor was waining. Humanities greatest threat was the dissolution in the belief of Him, the Emperor of Mankind. Terra and all its subjects needed a new army, a force of men that would be a light in the encroaching darkness.  He caused a debate backwards in time? :D  EDIT: Left out the word 'a'. The sentence looked a bit silly without it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 the problem with rumors in the GrimDark future of 40k is simple: while the rumors may be false, the Inquisitors that show up to investigate most certainly are not. Â Yes, some chapters have secrets (the Fallen for DA) that are closely guarded, or rumored about (BA Red Thirst), but many of those are First Founding, which gives them somewhat of a pass. Â and I don't think the SoB would take to kindly to having their faith and ability questioned. Remember how the whole "Brides of the Emperor" debacle played out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 The Master Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum initially spoke in hushed tones around the Senatorum Imperialis three decades ago, slowly he gained the approval of the Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum and the Master of the Administratum. With three such powerful members, the Council of Terra agreed to listen to the motion. What was discussed that day caused 47 years of discussion, debate and more than a handful of power-switches and assassinations amongst the council members. Never had such a suggestion been put forwards since the end of the Age of Apostasy. The Master Ecclesiarch made it clear that with humanity beset, without and within, by aliens and daemons the belief in the Emperor was waining. Humanities greatest threat was the dissolution in the belief of Him, the Emperor of Mankind. Terra and all its subjects needed a new army, a force of men that would be a light in the encroaching darkness.  He caused a debate backwards in time? :D  EDIT: Left out the word 'a'. The sentence looked a bit silly without it.  No sorry, maybe I need to rewrite that.  The initial quiet words from the master ecclesiarch was decades ago, it was then taken to the Council to discuss and that is what caused the years of discussion, debate and assassinations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 the problem with rumors in the GrimDark future of 40k is simple: while the rumors may be false, the Inquisitors that show up to investigate most certainly are not. Yes, some chapters have secrets (the Fallen for DA) that are closely guarded, or rumored about (BA Red Thirst), but many of those are First Founding, which gives them somewhat of a pass.  and I don't think the SoB would take to kindly to having their faith and ability questioned. Remember how the whole "Brides of the Emperor" debacle played out?  I dont think that the chapter would neccesarily look into the faith of the SoB for no reason, in fact assuming the SoBs show themselves to be pious and pure then the chapter should like them. Its more that they would be distrustful of elements of the imperium that show a lack of religious zeal I suppose.  But I'll have a think about it...maybe I should pull back on the anti-antireligion element and push more for a chapter that is highly humanitarian instead of the aloofness often associated with astates? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The Master Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum initially spoke in hushed tones around the Senatorum Imperialis three decades ago, slowly he gained the approval of the Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum and the Master of the Administratum. With three such powerful members, the Council of Terra agreed to listen to the motion. Â You mean the holders of the two High Lord offices that have driven the Imperium to civil war decided to get together and create a military force? Â That'll end well. Â Never had such an idea even been considered since the devastation brough about by the Age of Apostasy was ended. The High Lords could not condone this and therefore it was agreed that although this highly religious chapter was needed, it could not fall under the control of the Ecclesiarch. Therefore it was founded as any normal Space Marine chapter and led by a Chaplain to ensure that in all things, they would devoutly fight for the will of the Emperor. Â How does a highly devout chapter serve to encourage belief in the Emperor? Space Marines don't interact with the people of the Imperium much. They could spend the same effort on propaganda and have more success. Â Plus, there are already Space Marine chapters that follow the Imperial Creed. Just favor them when founding new ones. Â A highly respected reclusiarch of the Salamanders Chapter, a chapter known for their pro-humanitarian stance, was chosen to lead the newly formed Chapter. Many of the Space Marines of this founding are drafted from the Salamanders chapter. Rumour has it however that the Master of the Reclusiarch, as is the title bestowed upon him, is merely a figurehead ruler. The actual guidance for the Chapter comes not from the he but a group of reclusiarchs known as Reclusiam Beta whose ears and tongues are an extension of the Master Ecclesiarch back on Terra. Â Except the Salamanders do not (as I recall) worship the Emperor as a god. Â Also it seems rather out of character for the independent-minded Adeptus Astartes to pay much heed to any mortal. And where'd these Reclusiarchs come from, exactly? Â Due to the backing of several key members on the Council of Terra, the chapter wants for nothing. Â So they're a specially-created chapter with a special mission (that plenty of other chapters already basically fulfill) who have lots of shiny equipment because of their specialness? That's a lot of special without much behind it. Â What are you trying to do here? Have a chapter that's constantly crusading against the enemies of the Imperium? You don't need the Ecclesiarchy for that. Have a chapter that does what the Ecclesiarch says? You don't need a special creation backed by the High Lords for that. Have a chapter that believes in the divinity of the Emperor and is a theocracy? Simple enough. I don't know what you're trying to do, but I'm pretty sure you're going about it in a way that's making it more difficult than it needs to be. Â So: what are you trying to do here, exactly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3042889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 How does a highly devout chapter serve to encourage belief in the Emperor? Space Marines don't interact with the people of the Imperium much. They could spend the same effort on propaganda and have more success.  Plus, there are already Space Marine chapters that follow the Imperial Creed. Just favor them when founding new ones.   Except the Salamanders do not (as I recall) worship the Emperor as a god.  Also it seems rather out of character for the independent-minded Adeptus Astartes to pay much heed to any mortal. And where'd these Reclusiarchs come from, exactly?  So they're a specially-created chapter with a special mission (that plenty of other chapters already basically fulfill) who have lots of shiny equipment because of their specialness? That's a lot of special without much behind it.  What are you trying to do here? Have a chapter that's constantly crusading against the enemies of the Imperium? You don't need the Ecclesiarchy for that. Have a chapter that does what the Ecclesiarch says? You don't need a special creation backed by the High Lords for that. Have a chapter that believes in the divinity of the Emperor and is a theocracy? Simple enough. I don't know what you're trying to do, but I'm pretty sure you're going about it in a way that's making it more difficult than it needs to be.  So: what are you trying to do here, exactly?  Now I know what a lead balloon feels like! lol  Really all I wanted was a Salamander sucessor chapter. I didnt want to concentrate on the anvils or the dragons/lizards thing. Nor the self-scaring. The only other thing I could think of really was the humanitarian aspect of the sallies.  Then I wondered how I could make them a little special (mainly so I had something interesting to write about, not just *another* chapter of marines punching aliens in the face before breakfast). I thought that having a devout chapter would tie in with the humanitarinism and then I thought it would be "cool" if the chapter was created specifically to deal with issues of faith in the Imperium. So instead of having inquisitors rooting out malcontents on a small scale (say dealing with a small cult of hundreds in worlds containing billions) I was thinking along the lines of the marines working on bigger scales.  I know that there are chapters that do this sort of thing but they do it because they want to destory aliens or chaos or whatever...I thought it would be "cool" to have a chapter that does it to save the people.  It could be me but the impression I get from reading books and the like is that Marines come to planets...make a huge freaking mess of blowing sh*t up to kill whoever they're told to...and then they pack up and leave the world in a complete mess.  Then, just to top it off I thought it would be "cool" to have this possibly true dark rumour about the chapter to again give me something to feed on when writing. So I had the idea of the Reclusiarch Beta...initially they were just going to be an internal group who used the Master of Sanctity as a puppet to be in control but then I thought about the whole being set up by the high lords thing and thought that would make it more darker and more of an important secret...or something like that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3043130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 ok how about this... Â The Salamanders discover one of the 5 remaining relics that Vulkan hid? The Obsidian Chariot. Â It turns out to be a great big battle-barge, they excavate it, bring it online and it turns out that the navigation computer has hundreds of specific planets preprogrammed into it. Tu'Shan and He'stan spend months pouring over the Tome of Fire to divine its meaning and use. Â Eventually, somehow the decision is made that the Primarch had visited these planets or intended to visit the planets at some point before he disappeared. Â Because of the sheer size of the ship and the fact that Tu'Shan could not lose too many of his own chapter, a new successor chapter was created that would be based on the ship and would travel to each of the planets in turn looking for reasons why Vulkan had gone/wished to go to them. Â So then I have a reason for a new chapter that would be divulgent from the Salamanders (being away from nocturne, the forges, the dragons...) and also it could explain the chaplain thats in charge as he could have been chosen to ensure the Promethean Cult was upheld...although over time this could wain/alter slightly. Â It would fit in nicely as well with the sallies wanting to watch out for the emperor's subjects seeing as they could come across lost civilizations and stuff and would attempt to get them back into the Imperium. Â Its a rough idea...and probably stupid, I blame the fact I've watch 5 seasons of SG1 back to back over the last few months! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3043162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Its a rough idea...and probably stupid, I blame the fact I've watch 5 seasons of SG1 back to back over the last few months! Â Ah, seeing the X-303 leaving Area 51 is still a sight for sore eyes :P Â I can see where you're coming from in that you'd like to advance the Salamanders' fluff by saying that they finally found the Obsidian Charriot, but official canon states that they haven't. Whilst this, for yourself isn't necessarily an issue (after all, if YOU want your DIY to be the ones roaming around in it, then why not? ;) ) However, for it to be more....acceptable to others especially to those online then it's not at all viable ;) Â One way around this: You could have the Salllies find a ship that has....similarities to the Obsidian Charriot, but they aren't sure. To be able to get the thing working again and verify it's authenticity, a Successor Chapter that had recently been Founded are charged with that purpose as a quest or personal mission to prove them selves worthy. This would mean that you avoid the whole issue of whether or not it it IS the Obsidian Charriot, and the reason as to why your DIY were founded (as in a Chapter wouldn't just be founded just because there was a discovery - either the Sallies or one of their "Canon" Successors would take that task on). As to a valid reason why they were created originally would depend on which Founding they were part of. Perhaps taking a look at the 26 Foundings and working out where they were created would help "flesh" out their character? Are they "Old" (in my view any Chapter Founded before the 13th is "old", any Founded after that are "young", at least in teh Grand scheme of things, but everything is relative). Â It's nice to see another Salamander DIY successor (I have one on the go called the "Amber Dragons", not much of an original name I know). I'll be keeping an eye out for what you come up with ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3043172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Now I know what a lead balloon feels like! lol  I hate because I love. Honest. ;)  Really all I wanted was a Salamander sucessor chapter. I didnt want to concentrate on the anvils or the dragons/lizards thing. Nor the self-scaring. The only other thing I could think of really was the humanitarian aspect of the sallies.  Too little enthusiasm leads only to sadness.  *Why* do you want a Salamander successor chapter? What appeals to you about the Salamanders? Is it the humanitarian aspect? Or is it something else?  Then I wondered how I could make them a little special (mainly so I had something interesting to write about, not just *another* chapter of marines punching aliens in the face before breakfast). I thought that having a devout chapter would tie in with the humanitarinism and then I thought it would be "cool" if the chapter was created specifically to deal with issues of faith in the Imperium. So instead of having inquisitors rooting out malcontents on a small scale (say dealing with a small cult of hundreds in worlds containing billions) I was thinking along the lines of the marines working on bigger scales.  There are two major problems with that in my eyes: firstly, the Imperial religion is hardly humanitarian. Second, Marines are kind of unipurpose - they kill things. Though I like the idea of some Marine chapter showing up with massive humanitarian convoys staffed by exerpt disaster relief serfs. :lol:  It could be me but the impression I get from reading books and the like is that Marines come to planets...make a huge freaking mess of blowing sh*t up to kill whoever they're told to...and then they pack up and leave the world in a complete mess.  ...OK, now I'm serious about it. Humanitarian convoy chapter. Could be done, might be interesting (as long as you don't have the Marines distributing ration packs or anything. I mean, they're still designed for killing things).  Then, just to top it off I thought it would be "cool" to have this possibly true dark rumour about the chapter to again give me something to feed on when writing. So I had the idea of the Reclusiarch Beta...initially they were just going to be an internal group who used the Master of Sanctity as a puppet to be in control but then I thought about the whole being set up by the high lords thing and thought that would make it more darker and more of an important secret...or something like that!  Pshaw. Dark secrets are a crutch. I should know, I've leaned on them enough. :P  Figure out what you like about the Salamanders. Build off that. Honestly, humanitarian Space Marines have enough problems without needing to worry about secret conspiracies by the High Lords.  The Salamanders discover one of the 5 remaining relics that Vulkan hid? The Obsidian Chariot.  The objections pointed out by Aquilanus apply, obviously.  Additionally, does that really have much to do with why you wanted a Salamanders successor? I really think you should figure out what you want - do you want humanitarian marines? Or do you just generally like the Salamanders and want to do something related to them? In the latter case, there are all kinds of things you can do that don't require you to stamp on He'stan's toes quite so vigorously.  Not least, you could just have the chapter disagree with the Salamanders, and be focusing on some OTHER way of bringing about Vulkan's return.  Off the top of my head: they're trying to help the people of the Imperium so Vulkan will return; they want to destroy the people of the Imperium to make things desperate enough so Vulkan will return; they're focused on collecting clues to his whereabouts so they can find him; they're focused on rebuilding the Salamanders legion so Vulkan will return to lead them; they believe Vulkan has died and they want to find his body to clone him and bring about his return...  Because of the sheer size of the ship and the fact that Tu'Shan could not lose too many of his own chapter, a new successor chapter was created that would be based on the ship and would travel to each of the planets in turn looking for reasons why Vulkan had gone/wished to go to them.  Except the High Lords create new successor chapters, not the Salamanders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3043427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 Yeah, as I said...it wasnt that great an idea. Â I think the only thing that stands out is finding a craft with various planet coordinates preprogrammed in. ------- But yeah, I think I went with the Sallies originally because I like the tale of Vulkan. The whole valuing life over pride, wanting to take active roles with the people they protect and putting his life on the line to not just glorify Him, but to save His people - which I suppose in a way is how He lives on? In the faith of his flock or something like that! Â Maybe my chapter will see the Emperors will as being to save his people, not by just going out and kicking ass and taking names but by being role models...mediators...advisors...assistants. Instead of going to a planet, blowing 4 shades of hell out of it and then flying off thinking their job is done, they would stay to help rebuild? Or maybe they would be more careful and only try to blow 2.5 shades of hell if they can help it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3043848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 So...humanitarian convoy chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3044314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 So...humanitarian convoy chapter? Â Well I guess kinda...maybe? Â A Chapter which places civilian damage-reduction at the top of its priority. Sort of more of a "support chapter".? Suppose I can use some friction with the more blood-thirsty chapters in stories. Â Still, this starts to give me a way to work out how the chapter works...like I guess it will be a transport-heavy chapter with lots of hold-the-line troops and tactics. I hope I can work something out that doesn't disolve down to making battles end up as me being mostly defensive to stick to chapter fluff tho. Â Thanks for the help so far, I'm sure when I feel like it, I'll post some more ideas! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3047292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyseifer Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 OK...running with the Humanitarian idea and also bringing in aspects of my old idea! Â Basis for chapter's belief The Emperor's plan was that Astartes were created for more than just war. It is for this reason that the original 20 Primarchs were made to be gods of combat but also to have great tactical acumen. To reach out and save humanity not only by their weapons but also their minds, to be as empathic to the victims as unrepentant to the agressors. Â The Emperor's Dragons, at their core, are a humanitarian chapter, they do not just defend humanity through martial combat and the destruction of His enemies but also by being role models, mediators, advisors or relief workers. Â Founding The specific founding of this chapter is uncertain but is believed to have happened during the infamous 13th founding, known as the Dark Founding. Although there are no reliable records of how many chapters were created or where the geneseed came from during this time, there is a strong belief passed down from Chapter Master to Chapter Master that they were founded from the Salamanders. This is also backed up by their use of drakes and the pro-humanitarian stance that the Primarch Vulkan had (and is carried on in the teachings of the Promethean Cult, although this Cult is a minor element with the chapter). Â Preferred Enemy As the most hated race of the Salamander chapter, the Emperor's Dragons also hold a burning hatred for the Dark Eldar. Also, as a race who specialise in piracy, enslavevement and torture of the weak for nothing but a simple sadistic pleasure they are doubly hated. *I'm basing this on my assumption that the Imperials are not aware that DE require the souls of others to keep She Who Thirsts at bay!* Â Chapter Homeworld The chapter is based on a planet called Suum. Due to an eruption of a super-volcano, known locally as Hok'Lak, hundreds of thousands of years ago the planet has an extreme axis tilt and a slow astral rotation. The nothern pole spends 428 days of the standard 530 year days facing away from the local sun. Due to this the northern polar icefields extend nearly to the equatorial line. The majority of citizens (Suumians) live in an massive city, based in the warmer southern hemisphere known as Sanctity. Â Although there are several mining operations that take place in the northern hemisphere as the massive pressures that originally took place underneath the super-volcano have filled the crust with a myriad of rare and expensive gemstones. Â The main chapterhouse is based out of the way, on the darkside of the northern hemisphere. It is not to disconnect from the populous, in fact there are several administration and recruiting houses within Sanctity, but more to ensure the safety of the local populous from training exercises. Also, although the chapter rules the planet and the Master of Sanctity is a Space Marine, the chapter would still rather that the majority of planet administration was dealt with by Summians. Â Company Information 1st Company - The Dragon's Dream The honour of being in the 1st company is to be a master tactician, mostly staying out of combat and utilising centuries of battle experience and tactical training to oversee each deployment of the chapter. They are specifically entrusted with civilian evacuations, plan cover for retreating troops, keep supply lines open, pull fighting hot-spots away from population centres and to route reinforcements to where they are needed. Â That is not to say they do not fight, each veteran of the 1st company has seen hundreds of years of combat and each one is a master of ranged weapons and close combat. In fact, to be in the 1st company can mean entering the thickest places of battle to surgically strike at key enemy leaders or to take out heavy weapons teams to reduce the enemy army effectiveness. Sometimes battles can be won by saving key civilians or important structures and the 1st company ensures it happens at all costs. Â 2nd Company - The Dragon's Senses The 2nd company, unlike most Astartes Chapters, consists purely of scouts. Although most recruits enter the service of the 2nd Company until they are ready for geneseed implantation, the chapter sees the precision of attacks and the ability to attain tactical information without great bloodshed as highly important and therefore it is an honour to fight in, or alongside a scout squad. Â 3rd to 8th Companies - The Dragon's Strength The companies 3 through 8 are mostly comprised of standard tactical marines. They are the backbone of the chapter and are highly flexible, they can quickly switch from fighting on the frontlines of battle to protecting supply convoys to assisting with the rebuilding of the infrastructure. Â 9th Company - The Dragon's Movement The 9th company is the ground and air cavalry. Specialising in fast response assault troops, whether it be teleporting into battle, using jump-packs or drop-pods. The 9th also contains a large holding of transport craft and troop carrier vehicles. Â 10th Company - The Dragon's Hope The 10th company is the made up of Techmarines, Apothecaries and other support troops of whom many are non-astartes. They are deployed as needed to support the 1st-9th companies or even can sometimes be drafted as temporary members of combat squads as the tactics demand. Many of the non-astartes company members are trained artisans and crafters, who are utilised to help rebuild after the winds of war have dissipated. The 10th also has a standing battalion of Suumian infantry, The Turkhans, who are deployed to assist with restoring public order or routing out remaining dissidents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251001-new-chapter-idea/#findComment-3051335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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