Graham mcNeils next HH-novel

[Captain Idaho]

It's a creed I'm trying to adhere to with regards to 40k (though I don't always manage it) since I'm into the hobby for enjoyment and to escape the harsh reality existance!

 

Basically it's about trying to break down barriers to your enjoyment of the hobby, or erecting barriers to things which hurt your enjoyment of the hobby. ;)

[Arkangilos]

It's a creed I'm trying to adhere to with regards to 40k (though I don't always manage it) since I'm into the hobby for enjoyment and to escape the harsh reality existance!

 

Basically it's about trying to break down barriers to your enjoyment of the hobby, or erecting barriers to things which hurt your enjoyment of the hobby. :)

 

Ah yes, put ourselves into a harsh universe where existence sucks to escape the harsh reality of existence :)

[Brother Captain Kezef]

Do we have a timeframe specifying just how long the events of Fulgrim took to transpire? Remember Tarvitz and and Lucius were on Murder for a while mid way through the book, so it might actually be a longer time period than we realise?

 

It could just be because of all those events being put into a single book we didn't pick up on just how much time transpires.

 

I don't really think that'd have any impact, unless McNeil had shown the stages. But if you add some "Twenty years later, . . . " to it, you're really not changing the pacing of it. But, really, the pacing wasn't really the issue in Fulgrim. There's nothing wrong with a sudden fall to Chaos, especially when it's occurring at this point in time, where the Emperor has the Chaos Gods' attentions fixated upon him and his sons. There's also nothing wrong with the sex and drugs aspect of Slaanesh, either. That is a big part of the god's identity. But it gets tiresome when its the only way it ever gets portrayed, and frustrating when an author teases us with something different but doesn't deliver on it.

 

sex and drugs?

 

Which book where you reading?

 

The descent of the astartes was not "sex and drugs"

 

The snapshots painted so many details. Such as the artist descending into more desperate measures to create the perfect painting, going from paints, to blood to viscera. The sculptor's counterpoint of remaining true to his craft, representing a pure, basic form of art that was more true in a sense than the extremes taken by the artist.

 

The finale was in no way an orgy,it was a cresendent end to a symphony of excess.

[Kriegsmacht]

The finale was in no way an orgy,it was a cresendent end to a symphony of excess.

 

I always thought it was an orgy of violence, not sex that the space marines were commiting in the theatre and that the humans were doing the sexual stuff.

 

I might have to re-read Fulgrim again wich won't bother me since it was one of my favorite HH reads. It's been a while so I'm sure my memory is foggy on that scene

 

So far three HH books to patiently(ha ha) wait for...This one, Fear To Tread, and Betrayer. Hopefully gonna be some good reads.

[Marshal Rohr]

So you would compare the Emperor's Children's fall to be a rational and well developed process over the course of one of the longest books in the Heresy Series?

 

 

Then forgive me if I disagree with you. The book did several things exceptionally. The Battle of Isstvan V. The portrayal of Ferrus Manus. The imagery surrounding the legion. The characters at the beginning.

 

But the minute I read the passage about the Laeran engaging in tentacle porn at the beginning, I knew we were gonna be in for some over the top Slaanesh stuff.

 

Fulgrim was a typical portrayal of Slaanesh. One second your ambitions, detail oriented, and decently good looking. The next minute your penis has spikes on it, you play industrial music so loud it forms solid matter that hurts and pleasures people at the same time, your eyelids have been cut off, youre covered in scars and burns, and you wear the leather strapon from Seven on your shoulder pads. Not to mention all the other creepy details that could only come from the mind of a Japanese independent film maker.

[Conn Eremon]

sex and drugs?

 

Which book where you reading?

 

The descent of the astartes was not "sex and drugs"

 

The snapshots painted so many details. Such as the artist descending into more desperate measures to create the perfect painting, going from paints, to blood to viscera. The sculptor's counterpoint of remaining true to his craft, representing a pure, basic form of art that was more true in a sense than the extremes taken by the artist.

 

The finale was in no way an orgy,it was a cresendent end to a symphony of excess.

 

Honestly, that's exactly what it was. It even states that the Marines resorted to violence during the finale because they couldn't respond in the same way the mortals did. There was a clear line throughout the book about taking enhancements to better themselves, and the poster child for it showed literal signs of addiction to the process. The scene where the artist finally, and fully, breaks through her inhibition is where she has sex with the person she later kills for the painting. The sculptor who remains pure throughout the process is tested primarily through sexual advances, of which he's a bit of an innocent. Certain phrases like "orgasmic" or "mind-altering" were repeated over and over. Yes, Fulgrim was about sex and drugs.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

So you would compare the Emperor's Children's fall to be a rational and well developed process over the course of one of the longest books in the Heresy Series?

Really? A fall to Chaos and you expect it to be rational and well developed? :P

 

This might be just me too, but I think you're overreacting to it. Everything he described, IIRC, was done in pretty broad strokes. Your OTTness that you're complaining about is based on your own perception of it; while I remember that it said the Laer were writhing in the temple floor, it wasn't like "Well the big laer had these parts here and it moved them like when the other one did that..."*. Indeed, I remember that the character was thinking that it seemed like - as in, it was uncertain, he didn't have it confirmed - it was in pleasure. He went on to wonder why they would do that when there was a war going on instead of describing it further.

 

I've read this book multiple times and it has never come across nearly as bad as you make it sound. I'm going to put this down to the authour being a good enough writer as to give just the right of information to let the reader decide while obviously not being sparse on what the situation was. If that doesn't make him a good writer, then I don't know what does. I know I'm looking forward to his next books though :(

 

*As a reminder to everyone, this is a family friendly forum and the mod team will act apprpiately should the descriptions get too graphic. Also this is slightly off-topic, we can discuss but lets keep it in relation as to the authour's next book.

[Billuriye]

The next minute your penis has spikes on it, you play industrial music so loud it forms solid matter that hurts and pleasures people at the same time, your eyelids have been cut off, youre covered in scars and burns, and you wear the leather strapon from Seven on your shoulder pads. Not to mention all the other creepy details that could only come from the mind of a Japanese independent film maker.

 

What the hell? I don't remember those parts. Gratz on making me feel disturbed in a way never achieved while i was reading Fulgrim by the way.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

So you would compare the Emperor's Children's fall to be a rational and well developed process over the course of one of the longest books in the Heresy Series?

 

 

Then forgive me if I disagree with you. The book did several things exceptionally. The Battle of Isstvan V. The portrayal of Ferrus Manus. The imagery surrounding the legion. The characters at the beginning.

 

But the minute I read the passage about the Laeran engaging in tentacle porn at the beginning, I knew we were gonna be in for some over the top Slaanesh stuff.

 

Fulgrim was a typical portrayal of Slaanesh. One second your ambitions, detail oriented, and decently good looking. The next minute your penis has spikes on it, you play industrial music so loud it forms solid matter that hurts and pleasures people at the same time, your eyelids have been cut off, youre covered in scars and burns, and you wear the leather strapon from Seven on your shoulder pads. Not to mention all the other creepy details that could only come from the mind of a Japanese independent film maker.

 

In a way, the Emperor's children at the end remind me of the reavers from the film serenity.