Fallen Angels

[Noodle]

Hey all, I'm coming to the end of modelling up my Dark Angels and I've become more interested in running them as Fallen Angels instead. I know it's a little unlikely that a full force of Fallen would appear in one place at a time but I'd still like to make a legal army based on the DA book, without any IG etc. I'd also run them as loyalist, rather than having fell to chaos.

 

What sort of limitations do you think I should apply? I had the following:

 

- Few terminators, no more than 10.

- Few vehicles, mostly easy to maintain things like rhinos.

- A mixture of power armour and weapon marks since the great crusade; since I imagine they'd have to salvage to remain an effective fighting force.

 

What do you guys think? Also, was the pre-heresy/heresy period DA symbol the same as it is currently?

[Chaplain Lucifer]

Few terminators? My bet would be zero to none terminators. Suits would be taken by El Jonson in the Crusade, they would've be of no use gathering dust on Caliban, specially because only very few would be able to wear them.

Other than that a Fallen Angel would have limited motorpool (tanks, bikes, jump packs)

[Grand Master Belial]

In my force, it was bikes that were my vehicle of choice over Rhinos since I went under the impression of what would allow a fast get away should the Dark Angels show up. I imagined them racing up ramps to anything that can get off the ground quickly and leaving behind the tanks as they were secured to the outside of the vehicle and there was not enough time.

 

Weapons were narrowed down to anything that existed in both the Space Marine and Chaos Space Marine Codex. This took out the plasma cannon, assault cannon and sniper rifle. Scouts were rare since they were using captured armor taken from those they killed and fluffwise were like the Wolf Scouts. I also followed the SW 13th Comp and combined the Chaos and loyal armor to show the degree of their fall to Chaos or because they salvaged parts from Chaos.

 

The Pre-heresy symbol has brought up an interesting debate. Some people use the red Rogue Trader era symbol while others follow the Index Astartes article from a few years ago which is the current symbol on black armor. Not sure if it falls to how long one has been in the game or not as to where they stand.

 

Just my thoughts but Fallen have a lot of wiggle room as they have existed in the outskirts for a long time. Because of an Eavy Metal mistake with Cypher, they can be painted green just to spite the Dark Angels.

[Grand Master Belial]

Few terminators? My bet would be zero to none terminators. Suits would be taken by El Jonson in the Crusade, they would've be of no use gathering dust on Caliban, specially because only very few would be able to wear them.

Other than that a Fallen Angel would have limited motorpool (tanks, bikes, jump packs)

I could see a few that have been captured in battle and subsequently returned to service.

 

One of my more wild theories is that the Rock was given the STC designs and has a forge for Terminator armor and has been guarding that fact jealously since the Fall of Caliban. In which case there would be Terminators on Caliban at the time of the Fall. It was my way of emplaining why so many 1st Companies have terminator armor.

[Isiah]

Sounds a great project:

 

What sort of limitations do you think I should apply? I had the following:

 

- Few terminators, no more than 10.

One squad at the most. I'm sure some would have been left on Caliban for repair / rebuilding etc. It isn't out of the bounds of possibility that a few survived. Although saying that - Cypher's Chapter A[pproved rules only allowed for an accompanying power-armoured squad if my flakey memory serves.

 

- Few vehicles, mostly easy to maintain things like rhinos.

I'll be honest and say I don't think any vehicle items would have been sucked into the Warp during the schism. But that isn't to say that your Fallen haven't captured a few along the way ;)

 

- A mixture of power armour and weapon marks since the great crusade; since I imagine they'd have to salvage to remain an effective fighting force.

Yes to this, in fact the more mixed up the better I'd say.

 

Also, was the pre-heresy/heresy period DA symbol the same as it is currently?

Way back GW had a slightly different symbol for the DA anyway. I've always liked that 'older' look on the Fallen. But in essence you could use the current icon no worries. Shameless plug to old icons

 

Here's a neat 'Fallen' squad with Cypher that uses green power armour that could be used as loyalists as well - albiet bloody ones!

 

Cheers

I

[Noodle]

On the topic of terminators:

 

I don't think they'd have had suits left with them, at least not many anyway, but I don't think they'd be above salvaging suits from both sides in the last 10k years, as GMB says. It's perhaps a little far fetched but fielding terms is one of the things this army does well. Having said that, I'd not go above 10 and more likely I'd stick to 5.

 

Edit: Thanks for that link Isiah, I've been struggling to find some pics for inspiration (Weak google skills ;)) and those are great.

[Brother Nihm]

5 scavenged terminator suits painted up in fallen colours would potentially look very striking, I say go for it and remember to add a little battle-damage on top.

[Droma]

If I was going to do a fallen project I'd likely do it using the GK codex. Crow with a small squad or two of purifiers armed with swords and maybe a hammer. Model them using a mix of GK bits and FW older armor marks. Then bulk out the army with coteaz and henchmen squads. Actually I've been wanting to start another army for a while as I have a ton of dark angels. I may go make a 1000 point army out of this...

[Gillyfish]

Depending upon the way you envisage them, the Fallen warband you have could have captured and/or salvaged vehicles from other traitors or loyalist marine forces. They'd be unlikely to have access to paint shops to re-spray them, so they might have a more simplistic approach to demarcating them as their own vehicles and that might also create some interesting modelling opportunities.

 

Similarly, some of their armour might have field repairs or be salvaged from other forces, much like the old depiction of the SW 13th company.

 

Just a few thoughts. Sounds like quite a cool modelling project!

[Brother-Sergeant Bohemond]

With Termie amour, bearing in mind it's rarity in the Imperial Chapters who still have accsess to it and it's even greater rarity within the Chaos Legions, it's doubtful Fallen will have much, if any. If so, then a Commander is likely to wear the suit alone. Maybe a bodyguard. But that is about all. The main issue is maintenance, when one suit breaks down, thats pretty much it, time to switch to the PA suit

 

as for a symbol, I go with the Red on my Dark Angels as I think it looks much cooler.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Noodle,

I don't think you should impose any restrictions to your proposed Fallen army, not because any of the above posters are wrong in any respect, just because I believe the 40k ooniverse is big and the rule of cool is the best one to follow on hte tabletop. If you have a ruleset that allows a unit then by all means use it, whether it's justified as a 'counts as', a stolen, a looted, a scavanged, a dark mech gift or whatever.

It's entirely up to you, I actually think the SW dex would be a great set of rules for a Fallen army, Droma's thoughts are also sounding cool.

 

As for colours, Black armour and Red Icon FTW!

 

But that's just one guy on the interwebz opinion.

 

:P

stobz

[Droma]

Droma's thoughts are also sounding cool.

 

They sounded so cool I stopped at my GW today and spent $350 on a new army. >.> I'll be updating my DA thread sometime in the next couple days with shots of my new fallen army.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Droma's thoughts are also sounding cool.

 

They sounded so cool I stopped at my GW today and spent $350 on a new army. >.> I'll be updating my DA thread sometime in the next couple days with shots of my new fallen army.

 

 

 

Go you good man!!

[Noodle]

Haha, I look forward to seeing some updates!

 

I have some chaos bits coming which got me to thinking about a couple of things:

 

- Should I leave scavenged gear in the colours it was found in? Or paint it up as bare metal, as if they had stripped the original colour scheme off. I agree they wouldn't be able to repaint the armour but I'm worried the army may start to look like a circus if they all have different colours.

 

- Sometime in the distant future I may be interested in playing in tournaments, will it be an issue if my space marines are packing forgeworld/chaos gear?

 

Thanks for all the input so far guys!