Toasterfree Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 so i know that i am posting this in somewhat of a biased thread, but i have no idea what i want to take to FoB this year. I have played so much wolves in the past that i know what i am doing with them in my sleep. but if i was to go to FoB with my wolveses I STILL have no idea what i want to take. my thoughts are: GK purifier spam or SW. for wolves i would take no less than 4 unitses of GH with support from LF. maybe some speeders, maybe some TWC. scouts of course. or i would go my more traditional route and add in a unit of "go kill that" WG to murder an obj. the purifiers give me tons of guns with lots of go get that with razor spam. i dont know how much enjoyment that i would get out of playing either of them, but i know this, i am playing.....just dont know what. HELP ME BROTHERS!!! (and yes i realize its going to be somewhat biased but please help a dude out in dire need with honestly as unbiased as can be answers) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Friends don't let friends play Grey Knights. :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Firstly, is FOB the New Zealand Fields of Blood Tournament? what is the points limit your aiming to build? Do you have any idea of the meta you're going to be going up against or the mission pack? Secondly, from your description of how you wanted to be playing your army you seem to have two clear ideas in your mind. GreyKnights army = to win, with little fun. Space wolves = Fun but still a good chance to win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 As Khine has said above, it would really help of you could give us some more info about the tournament. Is it non comp WAAC or blanched. You are going to look like a complete dick if you turn up with 4 packs of GH's and missile spam LF's. We also help if you post up what you have in your army so we can have a look at what we have to play with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 Friends don't let friends play Grey Knights. :lol: well now you hurt my feelings, i think i am going to have to play nurgle now.... Firstly, is FOB the New Zealand Fields of Blood Tournament? what is the points limit your aiming to build? Do you have any idea of the meta you're going to be going up against or the mission pack? Secondly, from your description of how you wanted to be playing your army you seem to have two clear ideas in your mind. GreyKnights army = to win, with little fun. Space wolves = Fun but still a good chance to win. Feast of blades, 2k points. i know one guy who will be there that plays with drop dreads so teh GK would be good against that. one dude MAY play demons. i dont know how many xenos will be there something that my wolves struggle with a little. a lot more people are coming to monthly tournies at my FLGS so i dont know what the meta would be Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Feast of blades, 2k points. i know one guy who will be there that plays with drop dreads so teh GK would be good against that. one dude MAY play demons. i dont know how many xenos will be there something that my wolves struggle with a little. a lot more people are coming to monthly tournies at my FLGS so i dont know what the meta would be Ok cool, now what do you have to play with SW wise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 a little of this, a little of that. minus SC TWC and SWB. i dont run blood claws and i have a giant uber unit of death for WG that is mainly for apoc which i dont play. pred vind 3 missiles 2 las 3 HB 3 PC dudes more dudes 1 dread scouts you name it for HQ but no one named that i run (2x of lord/BL, RP, WP) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Is it non comp WAAC or blanched. You are going to look like a complete dick if you turn up with 4 packs of GH's and missile spam LF's. A bit harsh Well he will look even worse if he goes with GK purifier spam how low can you go. but if everyone else has them then he will just be one of those competitive players..... what transports do you have? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Is it non comp WAAC or blanched. You are going to look like a complete dick if you turn up with 4 packs of GH's and missile spam LF's. A bit harsh Well he will look even worse if he goes with GK purifier spam how low can you go. but if everyone else has them then he will just be one of those competitive players..... what transports do you have? Ok, I will clarify. He will look like a dick if he turns up to a friendly tournament with GH and Missile LF spam, but i'm sure you could have worked that out from my post. However, seeing as it seems to be a WAAC/Net list type tournament then this won't be a problem. I do however agree about playing GK purifier spam, but if you can't beat them, join them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Is it non comp WAAC or blanched. You are going to look like a complete dick if you turn up with 4 packs of GH's and missile spam LF's. A bit harsh Well he will look even worse if he goes with GK purifier spam how low can you go. but if everyone else has them then he will just be one of those competitive players..... what transports do you have? Ok, I will clarify. He will look like a dick if he turns up to a friendly tournament with GH and Missile LF spam, but i'm sure you could have worked that out from my post. However, seeing as it seems to be a WAAC/Net list type tournament then this won't be a problem. I do however agree about playing GK purifier spam, but if you can't beat them, join them. Thats not the only problem with the GH/Missile LF/Razor las-plas spam list though, same with the GK purifier spam list. Everybody knows the list and will have figured out a way to negate it working effectively. That being said the OP needs to figure out whither he wants to play for flavour or for pure win. What kind of play style do you usually employ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 its non come, and missle spam LF arent as good as multi purpose LF. so i always pack a lascannon... looking like a dick...yeah. dont care. want to win. the GK spam would have about 6 razors (give or take) to cover the psyfles. i havent done a 2k list of that yet. 4 units of GH is what i took last year and did fairly well with support ffrom 2 LF 2 RP a lord and a WP plus vind. ate DE first round but was a draw, narrowly beat tau and dont remember 3rd round think i won that one pretty easy. but missile spam will never do. i will have to muster the wolves to give a count. something that i can try to do this weekend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 play them silver boys! the lack of heroism,pride and honour will hit you halfway in the tournament and should suffice as a lesson for not playing with the sons of russ! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 its non come, and missle spam LF arent as good as multi purpose LF. so i always pack a lascannon... looking like a dick...yeah. dont care. want to win. the GK spam would have about 6 razors (give or take) to cover the psyfles. i havent done a 2k list of that yet. 4 units of GH is what i took last year and did fairly well with support ffrom 2 LF 2 RP a lord and a WP plus vind. ate DE first round but was a draw, narrowly beat tau and dont remember 3rd round think i won that one pretty easy. but missile spam will never do. i will have to muster the wolves to give a count. something that i can try to do this weekend. yeah i alway find mixed Fangs do better nothing worse than coming up against terminator spam/LR's and having no answer and you have good mix firepower Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Friends don't let friends play Grey Knights. ;) well now you hurt my feelings, i think i am going to have to play nurgle now.... Well that wasn't my goal, but I guess if you get a hug from Nurgle, remember to wash your hands afterwards ;) I agree with the other dudes: hardcore tournament, play a hard list. social tournament, play a social list. It doesn't really matter what Codex you use, as long as the army is appropriate to the competition. I like hard play at tournaments, after all it is a 'tournament' and not a 'social gathering' but you have to be appropriate to your peers :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Is it non comp WAAC or blanched. You are going to look like a complete dick if you turn up with 4 packs of GH's and missile spam LF's. That is a pretty subjective call you've made on how other people like to play. WAAC: Win At All Costs. That is a pretty dramatic label dudes give to competitive play ~ which wouldn't be biased by the fact they don't like playing that way :) Win At ALL Costs. It makes it seem like they're cheating or doing something like breaks the moral laws of decency, if not the laws of the land. It is pretty funny that all non-comp WAAC people are doing is min-maxing army lists that GW itself has permitted them to use. The only thing that might be sent by the wayside is fluff. Which really would be GW's bag to align laws and lore together into something harmonious on table, especially given the price they like to charge us for their products. If fluff is what is being ditched, Win At ALL Costs seems a bit over the top and more than a bit harsh and somewhat poisonous label to smear others with who might like playing a bit rougher than you do. I agree that people should be sensitive to their gaming circle, but having a go at those who don't do it your way hardly seems 'socially acceptable' either. I assume you meant balanced? If so, balanced by what or whom? Some dude's opinion? A club's opinion? That hardly seems like anything better than GW itself could cobble together. No really a solution to GW's imbalanced codices, surely? This is why competitive gaming via 40K is something I am leaving behind pretty much - there is an entrenched mindset amongst gamers of GW products that playing hard is somehow abhorrent. I'm not saying that all games have to be rough and tough, but surely at a tournament, of all places and times, should be one time when people have the opportunity to flex their gaming muscles and not have aspersions cast about them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 lets stay on topic please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3043986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 2k? 1k for 5 units of GH with Rhinos, 250 for 2 mixed LF units, 250 for 2 RP's, 200 for scouts, 150 for Land Speeders and 150 for Wolf Guard, insta-win :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 2k? 1k for 5 units of GH with Rhinos, 250 for 2 mixed LF units, 250 for 2 RP's, 200 for scouts, 150 for Land Speeders and 150 for Wolf Guard, insta-win :wacko: 150 for WG isnt a lot...thats not that many dudes.... like the idea for 1k on the GH. thats some 10 man in rhinos and some 5 man in razors (more dakka!!!) def would take 2 LF units, def 2 RP. scouts 115 speeders 150 is low also (i have one now thats 100 on the spot) need to fit a lord in there some where (frost blade SoB BoR?) maybe take all razors with the GH so that there is more shooty... 5 man units with a MG in it...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buliwyf Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 2k? 1k for 5 units of GH with Rhinos, 250 for 2 mixed LF units, 250 for 2 RP's, 200 for scouts, 150 for Land Speeders and 150 for Wolf Guard, insta-win :( 150 for WG isnt a lot...thats not that many dudes.... like the idea for 1k on the GH. thats some 10 man in rhinos and some 5 man in razors (more dakka!!!) def would take 2 LF units, def 2 RP. scouts 115 speeders 150 is low also (i have one now thats 100 on the spot) need to fit a lord in there some where (frost blade SoB BoR?) maybe take all razors with the GH so that there is more shooty... 5 man units with a MG in it...... Sounds liked you've not only decided what to play, but how you want to play it :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 Sounds liked you've not only decided what to play, but how you want to play it :( i think you really found my problem lol. i do kinda want to do something a little different with my wolves, but as the old adage goes, if it aint broke dont fix it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buliwyf Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Sounds liked you've not only decided what to play, but how you want to play it ;) i think you really found my problem lol. i do kinda want to do something a little different with my wolves, but as the old adage goes, if it aint broke dont fix it. Haha! I'm with you. If you're going to a tournament to win, now isn't the time to experiment. Don't change anything too drastic and you'll have better luck, I think (and that's even if you were taking a mediocre list. You're taking WOLVES so what have you to fear!?). If you do experiment, don't make it drastic. I'm currently working together a wolf drop-pod assault list, but I wouldn't recommend trying that the first time in a competitive tournament. If you change something, just tweak it. Try a different loadout for your Guard or your LF. The best suggestion for you thus far (IMO) is trying something new with your landspeeders. Make them cheaper, take 3 instead of 2, whatever. No need to reinvent the wheel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 i would be adding in one speeder, makign it a HB/Missle speeder to go with the AC/MM speeder. multi range threat level unit. should still be fairly cheap for the two (200 points?) maybe TWC (MAYBE!!!) the dudes the only change i would make would be 2 front line 10 man units in rhinos and 3 second line units of maybe 6 in razors (MOAR GUNS!) the LF loan out probably wouldnt change drastic. may include one extra missile and drop a PC (need to replace some dudes with a tac squad box to get the weapon for the fangs plus a couple of spares) HQs prolly wouldnt change a lot if at all. sadly i accidentally saved over last years list. but i have come to the conclusion that i really dont like putting WG in with my units. what has been workign is a unit of WG on its own. (seems to take shots away from the GH units and provides me with an objective clearing assault unit.) so in all i would be looking at ROUGHLY 2 units of long fangs 2~3 MAYBE 4 razors, 3~4 units of GH (most likely 4) scouts, dread and 3 HQs. i am going to tool up a list for it tonight, inventory dudes and post inventory as well as a prelim list. from the missions that i have from FoB the ability to stick and move is going to be highly necessary. on the OTHER SIDE i am going to also tool up a 2k GK list just to see how i like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 200 9 Grey Hunters (melta, Standard, MotW) Rhino 200 9 Grey Hunters (melta, Standard, MotW) Rhino 200 9 Grey Hunters (melta, Standard, MotW) Rhino 200 9 Grey Hunters (melta, Standard, MotW) Rhino 200 9 Grey Hunters (melta, Standard, MotW) Rhino 110 Rune Priest (Chooser of the Slain) 110 Rune Priest (Chooser of the Slain, bolter) 70 Land Speeder (multi-melta, Heavy Flamer) 70 Land Speeder (multi-melta, Heavy Flamer) 100 5 scouts (melta, Motw) 100 5 scouts (melta, Motw) 190 6 Long Fangs (5 Plasmacannons) 140 6 Long Fangs (5 Missile Launchers) 109 3 Wolf Guard (2 Powerfists, 1 Powerweapon) that's what I'd field... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 i know people here swear by the standard, but thats 10 points to me that is useful somewhere else so thats +50 points. i dont have 45 marines to use like that i know for a fact. someone please do some quick math for me and tell me how much 5x WG with FB and SBs would be... i know (18*5)+(10?*5)+(5?*5)=? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 205 if I'm not mistaken. 90 for the bodies, 100 for the frostblades (10 is for TDA I think), and 15 for the stormbolters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251084-ouch/#findComment-3044221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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