Torin Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Good Day brother, This was actually posted in my local forum, It was taken BOLS where it mention that JAWW doesnt effect jump infantry. How true is this. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/40k...royer-lord.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 jump infantry are a subsection of infantry, people often think that because they aren't specifically mentioned they aren't included but they definitely are, this has come up in my LGS a lot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 If you read the rules for Jaws of the World Wolf in the Codex, I think you'll clearly find that it states what it does affect. If it isn't on that list, it isn't affected. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Good Day brother, This was actually posted in my local forum, It was taken BOLS where it mention that JAWW doesnt effect jump infantry. How true is this. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/40k...royer-lord.html Jaws tells you what model Types are affected. "Monstrous creatures, beasts, cavalry, bikes and infantry models that are touched by this line must take an Initiative test (see Characteristic Tests in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook)." - Codex: Space Wolves, Pg.37 Missing from the list are Artillery, Vehicles, and Jump Infantry. So Jaws does not affect Jump Infantry. jump infantry are a subsection of infantry, people often think that because they aren't specifically mentioned they aren't included but they definitely are, this has come up in my LGS a lot They are not. Unlike Jetbikes(a sub-Type of Bikes) or Jet Pack Infantry(a sub-Type of Jump Infantry),Jump Infantry are a Type in their own right with their own special rules detailed in the Unit Type section of the BRB(found on page 52). If you read the rules for Jaws of the World Wolf in the Codex, I think you'll clearly find that it states what it does affect. If it isn't on that list, it isn't affected.[/color] I hope you meant "does not". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonarmy Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 dswanick is correct here! it sucks but is true :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torin Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 i have just check the rule book on page 4 & 5.. in the unit type.. Infantry is separated from jump infantry. Where bike and jetbike fall into one. Unless GW can clarify that JI fall under Infantry then it would effect JI. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 After looking at my dex, it is unfortunate to see, but Jaws doesnt seem to affect jump infantry. Whether this was intended or not (seeing as how you may be able to jetpack your way out of the jaws), I hope it gets errata'd, because it seems wrong to me, as almost every other logically affected unit is affected. I can't think of a reason as to why lad-on-flying-engine is affected and lad-strapped-to-flying-engine is not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 I think it is intentionally. O frak, the ground is opening up, lets see what can i do. A ) fall in B ) ignite my jetpack I think ill go with B Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So does this mean if I choose 'infantry' for my Wolf Priests 'Oath of War' to gain preferred enemy that i will not be able to re-roll my hits against jump infantry? I don't think so. My common sense is telling me that Jump infantry falls under the infantry umbrella. It says 'jump INFANTRY' in the rulebook for christ sake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonarmy Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So does this mean if I choose 'infantry' for my Wolf Priests 'Oath of War' to gain preferred enemy that i will not be able to re-roll my hits against jump infantry? I don't think so. My common sense is telling me that Jump infantry falls under the infantry umbrella. It says 'jump INFANTRY' in the rulebook for christ sake. this is unfortunately correct. The wolf priest lets you select a unit type. infantry and jump infantry are to separate and distinct unit types according to the rule book. It does seem odd but consider that fluff wise that jump infantry may use different tactics when fighting in CC so the wolf priests ability to fight infantry may not be relevant to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So does this mean if I choose 'infantry' for my Wolf Priests 'Oath of War' to gain preferred enemy that i will not be able to re-roll my hits against jump infantry? I don't think so. My common sense is telling me that Jump infantry falls under the infantry umbrella. It says 'jump INFANTRY' in the rulebook for christ sake. Your common sense is wrong. Infantry and Jump Infantry are two seperate things. Just like infantry and Artillery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Willy Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 I think the idea with jet bikes is they use replusion to hold them up and the jets to blast them along, with no ground to for whatever handwave effect causes them to repluse away from the ground no longer has the power to hold them up, though this should effect jump infantry I think the lightness of them could hold them up. The whole jet bike thing is unfortunate but a side effect of only being a sub-catergory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So does this mean if I choose 'infantry' for my Wolf Priests 'Oath of War' to gain preferred enemy that i will not be able to re-roll my hits against jump infantry? I don't think so. My common sense is telling me that Jump infantry falls under the infantry umbrella. It says 'jump INFANTRY' in the rulebook for christ sake. Your common sense is wrong. Infantry and Jump Infantry are two seperate things. Just like infantry and Artillery. =o wait what?! Infantry aren't like artillery?! .. are you sure about that..? >.> .... could have sworn they were identical because they both have -ry in their name. .... Feth i must have slept through that mission briefing.. x.x' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So does this mean if I choose 'infantry' for my Wolf Priests 'Oath of War' to gain preferred enemy that i will not be able to re-roll my hits against jump infantry? I don't think so. My common sense is telling me that Jump infantry falls under the infantry umbrella. It says 'jump INFANTRY' in the rulebook for christ sake. Perhaps a refresher on the various Unit Types in Warhammer 40,000 would be in order? Pgs.4 & 5 of your Rulebook summarizes the various Unit Types in Warhammer 40,000. Detailed rules for the various Unit Types begins on Pg.51 of the Rulebook (including specifying which Unit Types are sub-types of the others). If it ain't there it ain't the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So does this mean if I choose 'infantry' for my Wolf Priests 'Oath of War' to gain preferred enemy that i will not be able to re-roll my hits against jump infantry? I don't think so. My common sense is telling me that Jump infantry falls under the infantry umbrella. It says 'jump INFANTRY' in the rulebook for christ sake. Your common sense is wrong. Infantry and Jump Infantry are two seperate things. Just like infantry and Artillery. =o wait what?! Infantry aren't like artillery?! .. are you sure about that..? >.> .... could have sworn they were identical because they both have -ry in their name. .... Feth i must have slept through that mission briefing.. x.x' Indeed, and some of the artillery models look just like infantry models, and act like them in all ways, and are even cross-classed with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 As has been stated, Jump Infantry are not a subset of Infantry. Jump Infantry are immune to Jaws, but get crushed by some of the other powers so it balances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 If you read the rules for Jaws of the World Wolf in the Codex, I think you'll clearly find that it states what it does affect. If it isn't on that list, it isn't affected. I hope you meant "does not". Nope, I most definitely meant "does". The rules for Jaws states with specificity what it does affect. If the unit type is not in that list, then it is not affected. You even quoted as much in the beginning of your post. :D DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So does this mean if I choose 'infantry' for my Wolf Priests 'Oath of War' to gain preferred enemy that i will not be able to re-roll my hits against jump infantry? I don't think so. My common sense is telling me that Jump infantry falls under the infantry umbrella. It says 'jump INFANTRY' in the rulebook for christ sake. Your common sense is wrong. Infantry and Jump Infantry are two seperate things. Just like infantry and Artillery. =o wait what?! Infantry aren't like artillery?! .. are you sure about that..? >.> .... could have sworn they were identical because they both have -ry in their name. .... Feth i must have slept through that mission briefing.. x.x' Sometimes people are wrong and I was wrong. My comments may have come across in a way that offended people and for that I am sorry, but I do not appreciate the sarcasm in your response. I had infact looked at the rulebook prior to posting my comment and did notice that jump infantry wasn't stated as being a sub-type of infantry but I thought it was safe to assume because they are both very similar that they would be treated the same in regards to JAWWS. I now know that it's not a good idea to make assumptions when it comes to the rules of 40k. Again I apologise. -kyo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Settle down little brothers, no one is keeping score here :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So does this mean if I choose 'infantry' for my Wolf Priests 'Oath of War' to gain preferred enemy that i will not be able to re-roll my hits against jump infantry? I don't think so. My common sense is telling me that Jump infantry falls under the infantry umbrella. It says 'jump INFANTRY' in the rulebook for christ sake. Your common sense is wrong. Infantry and Jump Infantry are two seperate things. Just like infantry and Artillery. =o wait what?! Infantry aren't like artillery?! .. are you sure about that..? >.> .... could have sworn they were identical because they both have -ry in their name. .... Feth i must have slept through that mission briefing.. x.x' Sometimes people are wrong and I was wrong. My comments may have come across in a way that offended people and for that I am sorry, but I do not appreciate the sarcasm in your response. I had infact looked at the rulebook prior to posting my comment and did notice that jump infantry wasn't stated as being a sub-type of infantry but I thought it was safe to assume because they are both very similar that they would be treated the same in regards to JAWWS. I now know that it's not a good idea to make assumptions when it comes to the rules of 40k. Again I apologise. -kyo I must apologise here too Brother, I hadn't meant it as sarcastic response or to be insulting. Playful banter at worst and more directed towards Grey's comment than yours. We live and we learn and correct our failings. Agreed it is confusing the naming and sub type that was put into the unit types, but its something we need to get use to if we want to play the game as intended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3046920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 As the author of the BoLS article I found this thread quite enlightening. You guys are doing very well in regards to reviewing the rules. :D G :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3047117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torin Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 So from now on there will be no more argument with regard JAWW effecting JI. Its done. Unless GW choose to errata the JAWW rules or the Sub categories of unit type. To a certain extend it was good that we found out about this... well some dont. But we just have to accept the rules as it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/251293-jaww-doesnt-effect-jump-infantry/#findComment-3047137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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