Logan

[eyeslikethunder]

I played game against another space wolves player

He was using the high king on two units a turn

by starting in one then joining another. in this case two units of long fangs with tank hunters.

 

so this this correct?

1)Can logan use this power on more than one unit?

2) does he need to be in the unit at the beginning of the turn?

3) does he need to still be with the unit when the power is used?

High King Rule

...You may choose one of the following special rules at the beginning of each turn Fearless, Tank Hunters, Relentless Preferred Enemy. Logan and any unit he is with have that rule for the duration of the player turn

I argued he was wrong but he was adamant so we rolled off. Just wondering what my fellow fang mates felt

 

I can see how the last line can be taken both ways

 

and the FAQ saying he can use high king rule even when they deep strike even though they are not on the board at the beginning of the turn

 

But I stilll thinks it one unit a turn but its a bit grey

[wiplash]

I would argue seeing that you choose the power "at the beginning of each turn" and it then says "logan and any unit he is with" would suggest that it is the unit he is with at the beginning of the turn

 

but i agree its easy to argue the other side

[Brother Seraphion]

Its quite obvious what the rules were intended to be, he is not meant to dance between squads giving out extra special rules, it is pretty obvious they meant it to apply to only one unit. Your opponent was clearly bending the rules to suit his side

[Martok]

These situations are hard to resolve. My advice use the high king do the same and at some point he will say "hmmm I see what you mean that does seem a little odd".

[Captain Idaho]

Even if legitimate, Logan joining a squad becomes part of the unit and as he moved that turn, they count as having moved so need to be relentless to shoot that turn.

 

Still, cheesey and not what was intended by designers. It states at begining of the turn, so he would choose a single ability then and apply it to the unit he is with. If he's no longer with a unit, they cease to have the abilities since he's giving it at all time to the unit he is with.

 

Besides that, refuse to play someone like that. If the only person I could ever play refused fair play I'd rather quit 40k!

[Toasterfree]

1)Can logan use this power on more than one unit?

2) does he need to be in the unit at the beginning of the turn?

3) does he need to still be with the unit when the power is used?

High King Rule

...You may choose one of the following special rules at the beginning of each turn Fearless, Tank Hunters, Relentless Preferred Enemy. Logan and any unit he is with have that rule for the duration of the player turn

I argued he was wrong but he was adamant so we rolled off. Just wondering what my fellow fang mates felt

 

1) NO.

2) Yes.

3) IIRC no. But check the FAQ the unit may lose that rule.

[jamsight]

It says it in the rules At the beginning of the Turn choose an affect Logan and his unit benerfit from this rule I don't have codex to had so I can't list them all I know he has preferred enemy so If say he is leading a squad of wolfguard at the start of your turn he then moves off to a nearby hunter squad his 'buff' goes with him, the Wolfguard loss the preferred enemy but the hunter gain it. just got my dex it states 'Logan and any unit HE IS with' Not WAS WITH OR NEAR or farted near. Gurr ! So if he is leading a unit of long fangs with relentless and moves away they still won't be able to shoot since leaders must move away in the movement phase. how ever if he joins a hunter unit that rapid fires since they gain relentless they would be able to charge since they gain the 'Buff' hope this helps sorry if it's arsey

[Grimtooth]

Use the rules for an IC joining a unit to shut down this cheater.

 

An IC has to move so he will be within 2" of a unit at the end of their movement to join a unit. So, if Logan starts a turn with a unit and gives them a power, it fulfills the "at the beginning of the turn" in the High King rule. If Logan then moves to within 2" of another unit, he is not considered part of that unit until the end of the their movement when you check coherency. That is no longer "at the beginning of the turn", that is clearly at the end of their movement.

[Toasterfree]

Use the rules for an IC joining a unit to shut down this cheater.

 

An IC has to move so he will be within 2" of a unit at the end of their movement to join a unit. So, if Logan starts a turn with a unit and gives them a power, it fulfills the "at the beginning of the turn" in the High King rule. If Logan then moves to within 2" of another unit, he is not considered part of that unit until the end of the their movement when you check coherency. That is no longer "at the beginning of the turn", that is clearly at the end of their movement.

that is irrelevant. he is no long with that unit anymore, as soon as he leaves it they no longer benefit from it as the high king rule states

[Grimtooth]

Use the rules for an IC joining a unit to shut down this cheater.

 

An IC has to move so he will be within 2" of a unit at the end of their movement to join a unit. So, if Logan starts a turn with a unit and gives them a power, it fulfills the "at the beginning of the turn" in the High King rule. If Logan then moves to within 2" of another unit, he is not considered part of that unit until the end of the their movement when you check coherency. That is no longer "at the beginning of the turn", that is clearly at the end of their movement.

that is irrelevant. he is no long with that unit anymore, as soon as he leaves it they no longer benefit from it as the high king rule states

 

And determining if he is still with said unit is done how? By the rules for an IC joining and leaving a unit! :(

[eyeslikethunder]

Idaho rule seems the strongest arguement against his tactics

toasterfree not sure the unit does loose it when he leaves as it states it lasts till the end of the player turn but again its grey area

 

From phone

[Toasterfree]

Idaho rule seems the strongest arguement against his tactics

toasterfree not sure the unit does loose it when he leaves as it states it lasts till the end of the player turn but again its grey area

 

From phone

...and any unit he is with....

 

if he leaves a unit he is no longer WITH them. how can you benefit from a rule that someone else is giving you if they arent there any more?

[eyeslikethunder]

Toasterfree not important not saying they are without merit just saw that i have already been over those points with him and there Izmir enough grey area to make it not worthwhile where Idaho rule is cast iron and defeats what he is trying to achieve which is 14 str9 missiles that can fire at 4 targets

 

unfortunate ly he totally believes itand would be happy for me to use against him and

He is like so those players who thought jaws needed to roll to hit wrong but filled with the belief they are right

 

 

 

From phone

[Toasterfree]

If he's no longer with a unit, they cease to have the abilities since he's giving it at all time to the unit he is with.

this is what i have been saying the entire time...

 

if logan is NO LONGER WITH THAT UNIT, they lose the rule. irregardless if logan moves or not.

sure if he joins another unit that other unit counts as moving, if he leaves a unit that unit no longer has the USR that logan gives them, since logan is no longer with them.

[Auretious Taak]

Link your mate to this article I wrote over on www.3plusplus.net

 

as i too gote xcited by this after playing it correctly for so long and thinking hang on...I can get two units done a turn! But alas, no, you can't, read through the comments it gets quite obvious why this guy was cheating on you intentionally or not:

 

Logan Grimnar Cannot give his High King Rule to multiple units a turn